cartierhoe
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They debating on Elon's app who had the better prime: Dennis Rodman or Draymond Green
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BigE214
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Every player you mentioned ate against Dray. Rodman and it ain’t closeI watched Rodman defend Shaq for about a quarter...I watched it in 96 in the ECF...he wasn't Shaq's primary defender
Magic was a 6'8 PG...show me Rodman defending Stockton, Price, Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, etc...
Draymond has defended CP0 for whole games...Jaylen Brown...Prime AD... Prime KD...Joker
Draymond is far more versatile defensively
Rodman defended wings early in his career & after Det he defended PFs...he wasn't doing both simultaneously the way Draymond was able to
Dray gets praised for being capable of guarding positions but honestly, tell me who he has ever taken out of a game
Dray is guarding CP3 - 25 & 12
Wow look at Dray on AD - 27 and 12
Dray is guarding Lebron 40-10-8
Fucc outta here
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Every player you mentioned ate against Dray. Rodman and it ain’t close
Oh, so stats DO matter when we analyze Draymond?I thought his contribution can’t be shown on the box score??
Everyone around Draymond on both his college and pro teams say that he makes everyone around him better. Every scout said that he'd bring that to the NBA regardless of what he put on the box score. That's undeniable.
But on top of Draymond having better intangibles, he also shyts all over Rodman on the box score.
Rodman averages just 10 rebounds/game in the playoffs. Draymond averages 9 rebounds/game in the playoffs.
So in Rodman's big "advantage" on stats, they're virtually identical. Meanwhile, Draymond doubles him up or more in EVERY other category.
How ignorant do you have to be to claim this?
Draymond has led the Warriors in assists for EIGHT straight seasons. In the 2016 playoffs he averaged 15-10-6 and hit 37% of his threes. In the 2017 playoffs he averaged 13-9-7 and hit 41% of his threes. Even in 2018 he averaged 11-11-8 and in 2019 it was 13-10-9.
Draymond's huge 34-15-9 game 7 in the Finals was in 2016, which *checks calendar* is after 2015.
Draymond was putting up Jason Kidd numbers on offense yet you're trying to claim he "wasn't doing shyt".
Meanwhile Rodman for most of his title runs averaged 5 points and 1 assist a game.
Steph goes down and 29 year old Draymond in his prime gets you 8 ppg. Rodman at the same age was averaging more than that and he was still coming off the bench!
This Ngga really brought up stats in a pro-Draymond argument
Rodman in his title runs averaged 5.8, 6.6, 7.5, 4.2, and 4.9 ppg. So in his BEST title run his scoring couldn't match Draymond's worst. Not to mention he wasn't even a fraction of the distributor or ballhandler or team defender or leader that Draymond was. He was a distraction that Jordan had to literally babysit to keep in line.
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Rodman was a better defender, especially in the post. He could check big men like Shaq. No knock on Draymond though.
Rodman took spot duty on Shaq. Draymond was Jokic's primary defender in the playoffs last year. I'd put them at least equivalent on man defense, and Draymond has guarded faster PGs.
But defense is more than man defense. No matter what you argue between them with one-on-one defense, Draymond is a FAR better team defender and that's not even close. Draymond is probably the greatest team defender of the last decade whereas Rodman didn't even try on team defense, when his man didn't have the ball he just hunted rebounds.
FYI - in the Bucks/Warriors game going on right now, Draymond has only scored 5 points. Yet the Warriors are +22 in his 36 minutes on the court and -13 in his 17 minutes on the bench.
That's been repeated all year long. Warriors are FAR better when Draymond is on the court than when he's off, even if he's not making his shots.
That's been repeated all year long. Warriors are FAR better when Draymond is on the court than when he's off, even if he's not making his shots.
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Rodman ain’t doing what Draymond did in Game 7 of the 2016 Finals PERIOD.
Rodman ain’t doing what Draymond did in Game 7 of the 2016 Finals PERIOD.
Fam I don’t know what you do for a living but you need to quit now and become a lawyer bc WHAT @ those reachesEveryone around Draymond on both his college and pro teams say that he makes everyone around him better. Every scout said that he'd bring that to the NBA regardless of what he put on the box score. That's undeniable.
But on top of Draymond having better intangibles, he also shyts all over Rodman on the box score.
Rodman averages just 10 rebounds/game in the playoffs. Draymond averages 9 rebounds/game in the playoffs.
So in Rodman's big "advantage" on stats, they're virtually identical. Meanwhile, Draymond doubles him up or more in EVERY other category.
How ignorant do you have to be to claim this?
Draymond has led the Warriors in assists for EIGHT straight seasons. In the 2016 playoffs he averaged 15-10-6 and hit 37% of his threes. In the 2017 playoffs he averaged 13-9-7 and hit 41% of his threes. Even in 2018 he averaged 11-11-8 and in 2019 it was 13-10-9.
Draymond was putting up Jason Kidd numbers on offense yet you're trying to claim he "wasn't doing shyt".
Meanwhile Rodman for most of his title runs averaged 5 points and 1 assist a game.
Rodman in his title runs averaged 5.8, 6.6, 7.5, 4.2, and 4.9 ppg. So in his BEST title run his scoring couldn't match Draymond's worst. Not to mention he wasn't even a fraction of the distributor or ballhandler or team defender or leader that Draymond was. He was a distraction that Jordan had to literally babysit to keep in line.
There is no way around it my guy, Draymond’s career stats are putrid: 8,7, and 5. And that’s only gonna get worse thr longer he plays
Rodman for his career is at 7 and 13rpg. Even with playing until he was 38. He has something tangible that’s gon stand the test of time. Conversely people are gonna look back on Draymond like wtf did he even do
So you cannot possibly be a pro-Draymond guy and rely on stats. His whole brand is accolades (most of ‘em team related). Well Rodman shyts on him there too.
All defense first team: Draymond 4, Rodman 7
DPOY: Draymond 1, Rodman 2
Rebounding crown: Draymond 0, Rodman 7
As far as Jordan babysitting Rodman, at least he didn’t break up the team. All Draymond had to do was stfu and KD stays and GS is the greatest dynasty in sports.
Reading comprehension is apparently something you're lacking.. because it clearly says "better prime".. no one has ever argued that Draymond is still in his offensive prime.Nah the smugness has me weak
‘Draymond, and it’s not exactly particularly close‘
*looks at results, 80-20 Rodman*
Draymond fans let me help you, you’re stuck in 2015. Before KD, yes Draymond had a certain role. They don’t win without him!! But his entire career arch shifted when then they add KD. Draymond became expendable. Draymond green, jamychael green, Tom green, ngga anybody at the 4 they was winning a chip.
Then in this new title run he’s not in the big 3, hell he might not even be in the big 4. Not only is he no longer their most important defender —-that was Andrew Wiggins—-the man single handedly almost cost them the series. Al horford busts his ass for 30. Draymond has a terrible first few games so much so that him simply not fukking up in games 3-6 had peope saying ‘Draymond back’meanwhile for the series he shot 33% from the field and 2/16 from 3. 12%. He is the walking definition of ‘he wit us’.
Please learn to read.. it's an important adult skill
Notice you couldn't respond to a single one of my points though. If they were such reaches, why did you have to ignore all of them?
You went straight to regular-season stats (where Draymond is STILL far better than Rodman in 4 out of 5 categories), and completely ignored all the playoff stats I listed. On what planet is regular season rebounding #'s more important than what you actually do in your playoff runs?
Draymond is a far better scorer than Rodman.
Draymond is a far better shooter than Rodman.
Draymond is a far better passer than Rodman.
Draymond is a far better ballhandler than Rodman.
Draymond is a far better leader than Rodman.
Draymond is a far better team defender than Rodman.
Draymond is a more consistent playoff performer than Rodman.
Draymond and Rodman are similar man defenders.
Rodman is a better rebounder than Draymond (though the gap closes in the playoffs)
No one could be being objective and claim that Rodman's rebounding advantage outweighs his disadvantages in literally every other facet of the game. Which is why prime Rodman at 27yo was still coming off the bench for the Piston's title run and older Rodman was platooning with Kukoc at PF for the Bulls' title runs. If Rodman was such a superior player, why is he sitting there at 28 minutes/game for his playoff career?
You just made that up - insecure KD was leaving to a squad where he could prove he could "be the man" regardless of what Draymond said. And how would KD make Golden State the greatest dynasty when he's only finished 1 of the last 5 seasons healthy?
And you sorta missed that Rodman destroyed the Spurs and gave up on the Lakers. Was a bench player on the Pistons and had to have his hand held on the Bulls.
Yea and Dante divencenzo was +19 but also with 20 and 10
This is why Draymond fans are the worst. Yea they’re better with him,we fully understand that, just like the Cavs were better with Tristan Thompson. Take his contribution in proper context and we good. It’s when people highlight his contribution and give it undue importance is when you lose credibility.
In a game where Steph scores 36, hits the game-tying three, game saving block, game icing 3 in OT, 3 other warriors score 18+, but you talkin about Draymond’s plus/minus
In a game he has 5 points on 2/10 shooting. It’s insulting.
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Every player you mentioned ate against Dray. Rodman and it ain’t close
Dray gets praised for being capable of guarding positions but honestly, tell me who he has ever taken out of a game
Dray is guarding CP3 - 25 & 12
Wow look at Dray on AD - 27 and 12
Dray is guarding Lebron 40-10-8
Fucc outta here
Didn't old Malone put up 39, 37, 36, and 34 spots on Rodman? Shaq had 36 and 16? Hakeem averaged almost 40-15-5 in their series, I guess Rodman can't really guard centers like that? Kemp putting up 32? Mchale getting 34 in a closeout game? Worthy getting 40 in a Finals closeout? Pippen averaged 22-8-5 when the Bulls swept the Pistons, why couldn't Rodman shut him down? Why didn't he shut down Kersey or Drexler or Duckworth when they faced the Blazers in the Finals?
If you're going to make up random arguments to use against Draymond with made-up numbers, you might at least try to use the same standard for Rodman.
BigE214
Future GOAT
Numbers withstanding (which could be/cherry picked to look worse) warrants, what is Dray doing to even play himself in this conversation. Someone already posted the individual accolades for comparison
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Jordan went to Vegas for Rodman
Curry told the front office he understands after the Poole incident.
Yea and Dante divencenzo was +19 but also with 20 and 10
You're cherry-picking. For the season, Warriors are +1.6 with Donte on the court. His impact is barely felt. Yet Warriors are +12.3 with Draymond on the court, which is BY FAR the best on the team. Wiggins is #2 at 7.7 and Steph is #3 at 7.5.
2022-23 Golden State Warriors On/Off | Basketball-Reference.com
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You could try and claim that's some artifact of rotations, but it doesn't work in Draymond's case because the Warriors are better with him in EVERY rotation. The starters are better with him and the bench is better with him. They need Draymond when Steph/Wiggins are there and they need Draymond when Steph/Wiggins aren't there. Cherrry-picking won't save you.
Does the Warriors organization lose credibility when they say the same thing?
The move that might've saved the Warriors' season
All season, the Warriors had searched for a way to steady their rickety bench. Then, after blowing a 13-point first-half lead in Houston, the coaches had an idea: Draymond Green.
"Nobody does what Draymond does," Kerr told ESPN. "We'd love to teach that and we try to, but Draymond has an innate intelligence for the game, an innate feel for the game that parallels any player I've ever been around. ... You can't replace Draymond."
"Earlier in the season when I was out there being the primary playmaker, that's how I was being guarded," Poole told ESPN. "... With Draymond in there, I can be more aggressive [with scoring]. ... Now with the second unit and the rotations we've got, if need be, I know where I can go for a shot."
"Draymond has everything to do with our team's success," Kerr said. "This guy is just so good at the game, the entire game. He gets it. He sees it at both ends, the way he pushes the ball in transition, his screen setting, sees the floor and then defensively guards everyone. He gets our guys organized. Draymond is an incredible basketball player."