There's no better proof that nice guys finish last than US politics

[Professor Emeritus]

exactly. republicans don't do anything the majority of voters aren't willing to accept. even if it's something that they tell a pollster they disagree with, it still doesn't rise to the level of "i can't vote for them". even democrat voters will shrug after republicans gin up the white populace with CRT nonsense and shrug and say "heh white kids shouldn't be made to feel bad when they are taught history." or "hey we can't ban cops, i have to live in this city too." but but but that's not what it means ... you already lost the argument once you start with the but to try to explain your position.

Not true though because the rural advantage and poor democratic turnout means that Republicans can get shyt through with just 45% of the vote and really support of less than 40% of eligible voters.

Add in that they have abortion, gun rights, taxes, and racial resentment as 4 different issues voters feel strongly enough about that they'll ignore anything else Republicans do so long as they tick just 1 of those boxes.

 

[Jalether]

 

[hjnm]

Did you know during that period, the Dems never lost the House of Representatives and had control of the Senate from 87-95? US Governors were also majority Dems for the 80s.

Because they were never subject to a backlash against a Democratic president.

The only thing donors care about are gay rights because many of them are gay and rich. THe other shyt don't matter. There has been no legislative movement on abortion rights, voter rights and others.

The House has passed bills on both and everyone is pro voting rights even moreso than healthcare.

Also the idea that Democrats move "right" to appease donors is false, if anything they move left.

 

[mastermind]

Because they were never subject to a backlash against a Democratic president.

So you didn't know that.

The House has passed bills on both and everyone is pro voting rights even moreso than healthcare.

Also the idea that Democrats move "right" to appease donors is false, if anything they move left.

we have a bicameral federal legislature, fam.

 

[acri1]

The only thing donors care about are gay rights because many of them are gay and rich. THe other shyt don't matter. There has been no legislative movement on abortion rights, voter rights and others.

I know it's easy to bash Democrats, but this is mostly because of the Senate and how it works.

It's just not possible to pass anything without GOP support.

 

[mastermind]

I know it's easy to bash Democrats, but this is mostly because of the Senate and how it works.

It's just not possible to pass anything without GOP support.

We keep saying this is how the senate works, yet citizens United happened during the first half of the Obama administration. The Supreme Court stripped the voting rights act in 2013, when the Dems had the senate (tbf, they lost the house at that point).

Abortion rights groups been asking for a federal abortion law since Roe vs. Wade was decided.

You brehs gotta stop defending politicians for being unconcerned with things to satisfy donors.

I know that things can’t pass without the GOP, but that is the point im making about Dems running from workers to managers and executives. It’s the same voters the GOP wants.

 

[Robbie3000]

How could politicians and voters not care about voter suppression and voting rights

I don't understand it either, but obviously they don't care or they would have made an exception to the filibuster to pass voting rights or at the very least make an attempt and dare Sinema and Manchin to vote against it.

We are dealing with treachery.

 

[acri1]

We keep saying this is how the senate works, yet citizens United happened during the first half of the Obama administration.

Abortion rights groups been asking for a federal abortion law since Roe vs. Wade was passed.

You brehs gotta stop defending politicians for being unconcerned with things to satisfy donors.

This isn't really saying anything, and I'm not sure what Citizens United has to do with getting things past the Senate.
If you have a viable plan for how Democrats are going to get legislation past the Senate right now please let me know otherwise you're just blaming them for not doing something that's impossible.

 

[acri1]

I don't understand it either, but obviously they don't care or they would have made an exception to the filibuster to pass voting rights or at the very least make an attempt and dare Sinema and Manchin to vote against it.

We are dealing with treachery.

Manchin and Sinema were absolutely going to vote against it and there was nothing the Democrats could really do about it.

It's a travesty but I don't see how that's the entire party's fault. They don't have a "Make Manchin and Sinema cooperate" button they can push.

 

[hjnm]

We keep saying this is how the senate works, yet citizens United happened during the first half of the Obama administration. The Supreme Court stripped the voting rights act in 2013, when the Dems had the senate (tbf, they lost the house at that point).

Abortion rights groups been asking for a federal abortion law since Roe vs. Wade was passed.

You brehs gotta stop defending politicians for being unconcerned with things to satisfy donors.

I know that things can’t pass without the GOP, but that is the point im making about Dems running from workers to managers and executives. It’s the same voters the GOP wants.

I don't know why you think these are the things donors want. Do you think the average MSNBC viewer is unconcerned with abortion rights or voter rights? Because that's who the big donors are.

 

[mastermind]

I don't know why you think these are the things donors want. Do you think the average MSNBC viewer is unconcerned with abortion rights or voter rights? Because that's who the big donors are.

They been unconcerned since the 1970s.

 

[mastermind]

This isn't really saying anything, and I'm not sure what Citizens United has to do with getting things past the Senate.
If you have a viable plan for how Democrats are going to get legislation past the Senate right now please let me know otherwise you're just blaming them for not doing something that's impossible.

Citizens United is about federal campaign financing, which we know has a large hold on elections. They didn't do anything on campaign finance reform.

My plan has always been to start listening to workers and talking about putting more money in their pockets.

 

[Robbie3000]

Manchin and Sinema were absolutely going to vote against it and there was nothing the Democrats could really do about it.

It's a travesty but I don't see how that's the entire party's fault. They don't have a "Make Manchin and Sinema cooperate" button they can push.

Make them argue and vote against it. This practice of not making senators actually vote is ridiculous. Even on filibusters, make the other party actually have to filibuster like the old days. Let's see how many of these decrepit a$$holes have what it takes to stand and talk for hours.

 

[get these nets]

Republicans

We will pack the courts both federal and state level and will even brazenly steal dems seat to do it (merrick garland) DONE

We will stifle and outright ban free speech (books,teachers) that we do not agree DONE

We will ban transgenders and destroy the whole LGBTQ agenda DONE

We will destroy confidence in US election integrity and put restrictive measures and other plans in place to ensure a total GOP domination for years to come DONE

We will ban abortion statewide and eventually on a national level almost DONE

GOP simply get their agenda done by any means neccessary, if dems had even a quarter of their opponents
ruthlessness and brazenness to accomplish their own agenda, the world would be a betterplace for it.

Imagine dems having an attitude of "we will tackle climate change,police brutality/criminal justice reform, voter suppression etc by any means neccesary"

The MOMENT you act out if character to compete with Rep.s, you lose. You will never be able to stoop to the lockstep mentality and shameless pandering that they will.

 

[acri1]

Make them argue and vote against it. This practice of not making senators actually vote is ridiculous. Even on filibusters, make the other party actually have to filibuster like the old days. Let's see how many of these decrepit a$$holes have what it takes to stand and talk for hours.

I'm kind of mixed on making them vote for it. I get your point but at the same time, it's pretty bad optics to hold a vote and then have it killed by your own party
The outcome would've been the same regardless though. It's pretty clear at this point that Manchin and Sinema love the attention. Trying to shame them just isn't effective, they lack that emotion.


Schumer really needs to go though, they desperately need stronger leadership and someone who'll do a better job vetting candidates. Manchin is one thing but Sinema was easily preventable.

Citizens United is about federal campaign financing, which we know has a large hold on elections. They didn't do anything on campaign finance reform.

My plan has always been to start listening to workers and talking about putting more money in their pockets.

Again, I don't disagree that something should be done, I'm just looking for a viable method of getting this type of stuff past the Senate.

Talking to workers is great don't get me wrong, but it's not a strategy for getting legislation past Congress.