There’s a crisis with the new generation of American Hoopers

[Damnshow]

Every decade this same subject is brought up

There is some truth to OP. The average basketball player from America is obviously miles ahead of the average baller from the rest of the world. But there are obviously multiple elite international players and quite a few a tier below who either been in all star game or will be.

Back then you had Dirk who was elite and then Pau, Marc, Tony, Manu, Stojakovic who were not as dominant as Luka, Jokic, Giannis, etc.

You've watched NBA for a long time. Remember how many trash European players got drafted in the 00s. All these mediocre teams gambling on tall Euro dudes like Darko, Bargnani, Jan Vesely, Tskitishvili, picking them with high picks and hoping for the next Dirk/Pau success.

Nowadays, even outside of MVP candidates, the list is deeper than ever. There are still names like Sabonis, Lauri, Siakam, then young players with huge potential like Franz Wagner or Sengun. Victor looks like one of the biggest potentials we ever seen, though gotta see him in NBA first. Also a lot of great Canadian players where 15 years ago you pretty much had no one outside of Nash from Canada.

 

[FishNGrits]

AAU ain’t real basketball, and honestly the rest of the world just caught up. Ain’t no more partying all night and saucin up some foreign cats. They have solid fundamentals, make quick decisions, and play team defense. If you think you walking into a gym against a European team and getting in easy dub they gonna give you static. NBA is paying a premium and the rest of the world wants the bag too.


With the internet you can just look up drills and proper shooting forms etc. before those were taught by American coaches who understood the game at a deep level. Now anyone can look up those videos to optimize their game

 

[xXMASHERXx]

So far in their careers Luka has overachieved. And I hate his play style but Dallas’ roster decisions have been trash. He reached a WCF and outplayed Kawhi and PG at 21

Meanwhile Tatum has officially gone from ‘man he’s doing crazy for a youngin’ to now he’s officially underachieving

Booker is tbd but idc how long y’all been together you not supposed to lose with KD on your team.

Luka overachieved and Tatum underachievied? So has Giannis, Embiid, and Jokic underachievied as well? If Book is supposed to beat Jokic with KD then Luka should be able to make the playoffs with Kyrie. Why do y'all do this all the time?

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

There is some truth to OP. The average basketball player from America is obviously miles ahead of the average baller from the rest of the world. But there are obviously multiple elite international players and quite a few a tier below who either been in all star game or will be.

Back then you had Dirk who was elite and then Pau, Marc, Tony, Manu, Stojakovic who were not as dominant as Luka, Jokic, Giannis, etc.

You've watched NBA for a long time. Remember how many trash European players got drafted in the 00s. All these mediocre teams gambling on tall Euro dudes like Darko, Bargnani, Jan Vesely, Tskitishvili, picking them with high picks and hoping for the next Dirk/Pau success.

Nowadays, even outside of MVP candidates, the list is deeper than ever. There are still names like Sabonis, Lauri, Siakam, then young players with huge potential like Franz Wagner or Sengun. Victor looks like one of the biggest potentials we ever seen, though gotta see him in NBA first. Also a lot of great Canadian players where 15 years ago you pretty much had no one outside of Nash from Canada.

There are now a lot of 2 generation legacy players in the league and more on the way who’s dads were nba players.. They are getting the best of the best training and conditioning..

 

[Paper Boi]

only temporary imo. 10-15 yrs from now the wave will be 2nd generation nba players.

 

[Rekkapryde]

There are now a lot of 2 generation legacy players in the league and more on the way who’s dads were nba players.. They are getting the best of the best training and conditioning..

But many won't and don't last due to not having that desire in them.

You can point to the Kobes, Klays, Damontis, Jalen Brunsons, Stephs, Kyrie's etc, but we don't talk too much about the marginal cats who'll be out of the league or already are or the average at best/roleplayer cats.

Also not as many as we think. Not even 5%....YET.

But it'll get interesting. Still can't teach desire/heart/dog.

 

[GoldenGlove]

And honestly, this extra emphasis on finding foreign talent started early with the Spurs. Manu and Tony Parker. Dirk. It has become an even bigger thing with the development of Giannis, Embiid, and Jokic

Even though this is the reality, there are players with the same or similar level of physical gifts, talent, and work ethic as those 3 out there in AMERICA that get NO attention. Because of the favoritism

Scouts ignoring Giannis, Embiid and Jokic "type" prospects because they aren't from overseas?

 

[Rekkapryde]

Scouts ignoring Giannis, Embiid and Jokic "type" prospects because they aren't from overseas?

We need Chet to do something


All jokes aside, a dominant American Big Man is sorely needed. Guards and Wings are plenty but our big men wanna be AI and Kyrie and shyt.

 

[010101]

we produce mixtape hoopers

they produce players more fit for organized ball

our players will shyte on their players in 1v1 situations

their players are better at making a greater collective out of lesser individual talent

basketball is a team sport

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[jilla82]

Would Austin Rivers have ever made it to the NBA if he didn't have AAU level favoritism and benefits? Let alone his father. Would he be as entitled and arrogant as he is?

That's the problem. There are talented hoopers around the world who don't make it close because they are written off early by these AAU/youth coaches. Alot of the wisdom, training and guidance they need to make it isn't there. Even though they work way harder than the players like KAT

This issue has many layers. But who wants to talk in depth about something like this in here?

you could sub out NBA/AAU and replace it with academics/professional career and it would still apply.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'm not sure there's enough evidence to support the narrative about American hoopers, but I will definitely co-sign that AAU is absolute trash.

It was amazing to me seeing how many young boys and their families were putting more effort and time into their AAU teams when they were consistently learning twice as much about how to actually play from their school teams. I could specifically name two elite prospects at our school who were fukked over by AAU coaching.

 

[Braman]

Luka overachieved and Tatum underachievied? So has Giannis, Embiid, and Jokic underachievied as well? If Book is supposed to beat Jokic with KD then Luka should be able to make the playoffs with Kyrie. Why do y'all do this all the time?

Just sayin stuff bc you mad dont make it true …like what does the bold even mean. KD and Kyrie ain’t equals. Not to mention Kyrie the american has been a net negative everywhere he’s been and he’s got his hand in not 1 not 2 but FOUR American superstars/stars falling short

 

[Braman]

only temporary imo. 10-15 yrs from now the wave will be 2nd generation nba players.

That don’t really matter. Being the son of a hooper definitely transfers but there is no direct correlation from quality of the dad to quality of the son. In fact you could say it’s the inverse. Maybe they live too good if dad is elite. Jordan’s sons, Penny’s son, Dwade’s only son all Guandong material. GP2 a role player. Kmart Jr a role player. Bronny look like a role player……

Meanwhile Tatum, kyrie, Booker, trae all the sons of just D1 hoopers . And that’s BEEN a thing so nah there is no renaissance coming there

 

[FishNGrits]

We need Chet to do something


All jokes aside, a dominant American Big Man is sorely needed. Guards and Wings are plenty but our big men wanna be AI and Kyrie and shyt.

If an all American white boy like Chet or herro make some serious noise as top dog and have a deep playoff push forget about it. White America still waiting on their next Larry bird

 

[triplehate]

If they not on my team, I don't really care about where they come from. Gimme somebody that can shoot