The Young Turks has a massive argument about how trans issues are hurting democrats

[Chip Skylark]

the commercials were OD, any time I was watching games on saturday you'd see at least one every commercial break. I was talking to a friend about it and he mentioned they were running them on youtube ads too. I think it would be naive to just dismiss how easy it is to make it a hot button issue to galvanize the republican base

I also wanna bring up how it is that any mention of policy or support of black people is met with resistance or nervousness. being scared that bringing up black people's concerns in the singular will drive people away so they hide behind "POC", "minorities", and a rising tide raises all boats rhetoric to make it more palatable, but are beating their chest about lgbtq issues. don't seem to be afraid to lose voting bases from their singled out support of them

Bro those damn prep commercials were the only thing being shown at one point

They definitely went overboard with that lol

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Nap, you were right about Ana Kasparian.
I tried being charitable to some of her arguments because, like this video, some leftists go a little too hard on issues and eat their own kind if you're not 100% in agreement with them.

She's about to get her Dave Rubin on.

Yep. She’s been had ulterior motives but she was right on the trans shyt. She’s been attacking black issues for a while though.

 

[Hov]

Literally every non-cac that tells me they support Trump, cite the whole trans thing as their reason.

At first, they'll say it's because of the economy, but as you dig deeper, they reveal it's because of trans people in bathrooms and reading to kids or whatever.

HOWEVER, cacs--who make up the majority of republicans and maga--simply hate black people and are willing to vote against their own interests to hurt us..

So it's hard to say if trans issues are what's hurting democrats.

Yea it’s hard to say if you’re just making shyt up lmao

You started off with “I ask people” then made up your own reason at the end

Like asking someone “how can I do my job better” because you keep getting fired, they tell you and you say “nah it’s because they don’t like my height”

Keep losing and keep doing your own thing or fukking listen to the winners tell you why they kicking your ass and change THAT shyt. This is middle school stuff but yall are acting insane across the US over the past few days with this non listening shyt

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Dems just started going ham for everybody lgbt. But then those crazy fukks start splintering and looking down on the other alphabets. All those other alphabets try to distance themselves from trans.

All that shyt needs to go back to being looked at as mental illness

If I’m LGB, then I’m PISSED at how much the trans convo hurt their movement.

Support for gay marriage has actually dropped due to the inclusion of trans issues.

Poll shows US public support for LGBTQ+ protections falling for first time since 2015 | LGBTQ+ rights | The Guardian

New survey suggests decline has strong correlation between Christian nationalism and opposition to inclusive policies

amp.theguardian.com

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You can't save everybody, and that's that truth Dems failed to grasp..just do enough by everyone and don't champion new issues over traditional ones.

Now if you're a liberal leaning person you're automatically seen to be partial to gays, fags and all their weird denominations.

Muslims about to get the boot out of the Big Tent too. Gotta conform to the west or get out. Bad enough they’re already religious conservatives but they’re regressive socially and incompatible with many American traditions. Now they tank the democratic nominee? Guys it’s over for all that splinter group shyt.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

If you have to sacrifice people or minority groups to win politics, then you dont deserve to win or govern. There are two major political parties, one is vehemently anti LGBTQ and anti black and anti immigration, we dont need the only other viable political party to act as republicans 2.0 to get support, biden was a strong supporter of transgender and gay americans and won the most votes in american history, its the candidates and the environment. When mitt romney lost the election to obama people were saying the conservatives have to let go off their tough stance on social policy issues , yet trump won being further extreme on social issues than romney was, its about the enviroment

Did Muslims come out to support democrats?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is something ive been talking about because it is one of the biggest issues brought up by people on the right. Less than 1% of the population, most people have NEVER met a trans person, most trans kids are not transitioning young, yet people fixate on them. They also completely ignore that there are trans men (ive met several due to the nature of my work. You would not know they were trans just looking at them.)

Trans rhetoric only hurts because of hateful ass right wingers. It literally is one of those things that does not effect most peoples lives but people in the country are willing to bush all common sense over it. Im not shocked though because gay panic and trans panic has literally been used by every regime led by strong men. Mussolini made a whole ass island for gay men, Hitler made persecution a platform, and we have what we have now. Nothing that will solve your problems, but a platform that will ruin a lot of peoples lives and a bunch of idiot bigots who will sign off on it cause they are “tired of the gay shyt.” And that quote is verbatim what these cats say.

Ok but do you support the policy?

You can’t run to defending how many trans people there are while ignoring the policy. You talking about percentages assumes that if the percentages rise then you’ll change your mind. Which is it?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I haven't seen any poll that states democrats stayed home or voted for Trump because of trans rights issues. But if trans rights are actually divisive then yeah, the messaging should be utterly de-emphasized. Just give the message "trans people are people. They are citizens, and have the same right to healthcare" if pressed.

The next election is actually the most important election.

Autocracy won in 2024.

2028 decides whether autocracy is here to stay or if something resembling actual democracy can live on. For that express purpose, Democrats should not run on or ideally talk about divisive issues and stick to economic populism which the Dems will surely fail at as their corporate donors and consultants will balk at that path.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

picking minorities to bush so democrats can hold onto power

yall really wanna slip down this slope?

Do you support tax payer funded trans surgeries for inmates? Yes or no?

Don’t quote the size of the population. Just defend the policy first then we can talk about demographics.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Isn’t it weird how Nap contains the following political stances:

1. Anti Islam but pro Hindu nationalism
2. Anti reparations and said Mike Brown deserved to die but pro Congressional Black Caucus
3. Anti trans but there’s an image of him fellating a banana or a dildo on the Coli

I’m not pro Hindu nationalism. Wtf? Show me proof of this.

I’m not anti reparations but it’s shown to be politically unattainable

And I have no idea what you’re talking about with that other shyt.

 

[Stick Up Kid]

They’re not even 1 percent of the population. Trans “issues” don’t need to be brought up as a topic on any sort of national scale by any party. They’re an insignificant portion of the population and you turn off a major portion of would-be voters by bringing that nonsense up.

Republicans ran that Trans/Kamal Ad.. 7,000 times and spent $250M on it... clearly it worked, and clearly its an issue for Democrats.

 

[KidJSoul]

The Democrats ignored their bases every wants and needs. They pushed LGBTQ issues along with abortion partly because it covers multiple bases (age, gender race), then they used the trump boogie man angle to scare people to vote for them; while they ignored their bases demands. Quite frankly they deserved to lose.

They did this just for women to vote Trump at a 45% clip

Dems can still be socially progressive, but they NEED TO STOP campaigning exclusively on it.

Stop assuming that women (specifically white women) are progressive, stop assuming Latinos are all progressive, etc. Focus your messaging on economic leftism.

 

[At30wecashout]

Ok but do you support the policy?

You can’t run to defending how many trans people there are while ignoring the policy. You talking about percentages assumes that if the percentages rise then you’ll change your mind. Which is it?

What policy? Be specific.

And no, if the percentages were greater...say even 10% of people, then there would have to be a societal conversation. I don't have beef with trans folk.

I also don't think about them nonstop even though I regularly interact with a couple and have met quite a few the past 8 years.

The distinction I am making is there are people never meeting transfolk who base their votes on something that does not effect them.

 

[3rdWorld]

Muslims about to get the boot out of the Big Tent too. Gotta conform to the west or get out. Bad enough they’re already religious conservatives but they’re regressive socially and incompatible with many American traditions. Now they tank the democratic nominee? Guys it’s over for all that splinter group shyt.

Don't forget he was trying to pull a Muslim ban in his first term and they still went with him..

 

[OscarAcosta]

A chunk left has lost its mind on this issue, and unfortunately it’s a noisy chunk. I can’t understand how they seem to want to have trans people’s rights to usurp those of others, or at least it feels that way sometimes when listening to their arguments. It’s right that trans people should have equal rights as others, but they also need to have an understanding that they will need to accept that other protected groups should not have their rights diminished by them. This will necessitate certain allowances being made by trans people,

It’s also a relatively new issue for most people in society to have to deal with, so some patience whilst the world gets used to it would be a good idea. They are their own worst enemy some of the time.

Oh, and drop the surgery for kids nonsense. Some of the talk around that is just fukking lunacy.