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Tell me sir who's lived in the same city for over a decade. Why would that make you an expert on average internet speeds

I didn't pull up a fans opinion on internet speeds and since I provided my stats, you're the one going off of what exactly?

I'm not here to argue with anyone, just the facts ma'am. I've done my portion, you remain cool and provide some of that home town insight homeslice, homeskillet

Because just looking at a website and seeing what average speeds are doesn't do much other than basic math.

In reality, there's tons of variance based on where someone lives, most of the time owing to how old the fiber is in the customer's area, and if it they run it into the customer's home, or stop at a junction box somewhere in the neighborhood. Using CenturyLink as an example, that 15 MBPS example was based on me looking for alternatives to Cox for where I live right now right before I bought the place in December. Cox is a little better, in that gigabit is available pretty much everywhere (thus bringing up that average you keep talking about), but it's by far the most expensive package. That wasn't much of an issue for me, but they legitimately will not sell you the package without leasing their own proprietary modem/router, and that IS a problem for me. I've got my own equipment and a mesh kit specifically so I don't have to hand them $240 a year for no real reason.

Cox gets away with their pricing because between their own business with local zoning/legislature and aggressive HOAs, no one else can set up effective infrastructure out here to support other truly competitive options. Even T-Mobile (and, for that matter Verizon) isn't available everywhere, since they'd still need to get appropriate towers built, or upgrade existing ones for coverage.

And while the specific details might be different, the general story is mostly the same around the country. Markets where there are two or more legitimate options are the exception, not the rule. It's why the US consistently ranks near the bottom of lists for available internet speed for the price.

 

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Because just looking at a website and seeing what average speeds are doesn't do much other than basic math.

In reality, there's tons of variance based on where someone lives, most of the time owing to how old the fiber is in the customer's area, and if it they run it into the customer's home, or stop at a junction box somewhere in the neighborhood. Using CenturyLink as an example, that 15 MBPS example was based on me looking for alternatives to Cox for where I live right now right before I bought the place in December. Cox is a little better, in that gigabit is available pretty much everywhere (thus bringing up that average you keep talking about), but it's by far the most expensive package. That wasn't much of an issue for me, but they legitimately will not sell you the package without leasing their own proprietary modem/router, and that IS a problem for me. I've got my own equipment and a mesh kit specifically so I don't have to hand them $240 a year for no real reason.

Cox gets away with their pricing because between their own business with local zoning/legislature and aggressive HOAs, no one else can set up effective infrastructure out here to support other truly competitive options. Even T-Mobile (and, for that matter Verizon) isn't available everywhere, since they'd still need to get appropriate towers built, or upgrade existing ones for coverage.

And while the specific details might be different, the general story is mostly the same around the country. Markets where there are two or more legitimate options are the exception, not the rule. It's why the US consistently ranks near the bottom of lists for available internet speed for the price.

Better response but I still have issues with some inconsistencies. So now you're admitting you can get unlimited so let's move on from that...

As for speeds, you didn't look at my link then blanket stated what you thought it had. It has the averages from each company and then breaks it down in great great great detail. By county/etc. so you saying the installation of fiber negatively affecting or giving false numbers is you reaching that's not what those numbers represent and you can check for previous years as well, your assumptions about speed was just flat out incorrect when discussing averages. Not saying you yourself didn't experience what you said but again, you broke down reasons why it could be slow but you then expanded that problem to the rest of the city. Truth is 88% of Arizona has high speed not less than. Also in the link

As for T-Mobile, they use satellites or basically their own internet and can broadcast that signal anywhere. It's just a matter of if your area is a good spot for T-Mobile's towers/satellites to reach. They don't have the same restrictions. The link for that which I provided is a start page, put in your zip code and it'll tell you if there service is available in your area. I've already googled it and yes to most of the state but I don't know your exact whereabouts so check yourself via the link. You might be saving yourself $200 a month.

 

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Better response but I still have issues with some inconsistencies. So now you're admitting you can get unlimited so let's move on from that...

As for speeds, you didn't look at my link then blanket stated what you thought it had. It has the averages from each company and then breaks it down in great great great detail. By county/etc. so you saying the installation of fiber negatively affecting or giving false numbers is you reaching that's not what those numbers represent and you can check for previous years as well, your assumptions about speed was just flat out incorrect when discussing averages. Not saying you yourself didn't experience what you said but again, you broke down reasons why it could be slow but you then expanded that problem to the rest of the city. Truth is 88% of Arizona has high speed not less than. Also in the link

As for T-Mobile, they use satellites or basically their own internet and can broadcast that signal anywhere. It's just a matter of if your area is a good spot for T-Mobile's towers/satellites to reach. They don't have the same restrictions. The link for that which I provided is a start page, put in your zip code and it'll tell you if there service is available in your area. I've already googled it and yes to most of the state but I don't know your exact whereabouts so check yourself via the link. You might be saving yourself $200 a month.

Breh, I BEEN checked T Mobile. It's not available where I live.

They can't just broadcast the signal anywhere, because they need to either build new towers that support 5G, or to retrofit existing towers, because the radios for each generation can at best be backward compatible, but not forward compatible. That not only costs them a ton of money, but they also have to jump through hoops with local government to get the signoff on said improvements. That's why it takes so long for stuff like 5G to roll out to the point where it's available to everyone. The towers, for a variety of reasons just aren't there overnight.

And again, looking at a list of averages for a state that you don't live in will never represent what your experience is when you actually shop for service. Most averages are bullshyt because some of the high speeds counted can be manipulated. If a company can say they recorded a speed once in a location, they can say they offer up to that speed, as long as they specify that speeds may vary by location. Unfortunately, you legitimately don't know what's available until you're actually shopping for your specific address. That's why I said that there's variance. For example, i was able to get 40MBPS from CenturyLink at a place I lived in seven years ago. I live four and a half miles away in the same city, and they can't even offer half that.

And yes, things like how close your company gets to your home with the fiber before switching to coax makes a difference. If your home is close to a local junction box, you're more likely to have speeds consistently closer to what you're actually paying for, and less prone to random drops. It's part of the appeal of fiber optic internet. They're running the fiber into your home, essentially.

Also, I said up front that unlimited data is available for a sizable fee. That's how you started questioning paying $200 for internet.

Internet options are drastically different around the country, and companies just giving away unlimited internet access as part of the base monthly fee has been dead for a while for a large portion of consumers, breh. Unfortunately, that's just how things work in the US.

 

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Breh, I BEEN checked T Mobile. It's not available where I live.

They can't just broadcast the signal anywhere, because they need to either build new towers that support 5G, or to retrofit existing towers, because the radios for each generation can at best be backward compatible, but not forward compatible. That not only costs them a ton of money, but they also have to jump through hoops with local government to get the signoff on said improvements. That's why it takes so long for stuff like 5G to roll out to the point where it's available to everyone. The towers, for a variety of reasons just aren't there overnight.

And again, looking at a list of averages for a state that you don't live in will never represent what your experience is when you actually shop for service. Most averages are bullshyt because some of the high speeds counted can be manipulated. If a company can say they recorded a speed once in a location, they can say they offer up to that speed, as long as they specify that speeds may vary by location. Unfortunately, you legitimately don't know what's available until you're actually shopping for your specific address. That's why I said that there's variance. For example, i was able to get 40MBPS from CenturyLink at a place I lived in seven years ago. I live four and a half miles away in the same city, and they can't even offer half that.

And yes, things like how close your company gets to your home with the fiber before switching to coax makes a difference. If your home is close to a local junction box, you're more likely to have speeds consistently closer to what you're actually paying for, and less prone to random drops. It's part of the appeal of fiber optic internet. They're running the fiber into your home, essentially.

Also, I said up front that unlimited data is available for a sizable fee. That's how you started questioning paying $200 for internet.

Internet options are drastically different around the country, and companies just giving away unlimited internet access as part of the base monthly fee has been dead for a while for a large portion of consumers, breh. Unfortunately, that's just how things work in the US.

I get it but you still don't. The link I have is legit. All you're doing is saying without any knowledge that it's not accurate. Let me point out one thing that proves my numbers. You proved my numbers with your post when you said this...

That's why I said that there's variance. For example, i was able to get 40MBPS from CenturyLink at a place I lived in seven years ago

Now this is where you're going to explain how cable hasn't increased in speeds in 7yrs
My numbers indicate a modest 102.2mbps average for century link as of today and you say 40mbps as of 7yrs ago. So anyone who knows about internet and speeds knows on average speeds double every two years. If you saying it's still 40mbps then it's you my boy, not the area.

Another thing, you think living in an area makes you an expert or even knowledgeable? I know networking n shyt bruh, been dealing with it on many levels for decades. Have you ever installed cable and internet? I totally understand how all this works and I also understand how data is collected and stored. They not collecting company stated numbers because downloads would be up to x amount. Cox claims like up to 800mbps on their gig connection but the cuz averages was around 230 which is around what I was getting with cox on Xbox downloads (210-250 average)

Also you said over $200 for cable and internet, I questioned that much for just internet. Both bundled is usually 170-250 range depending on what you have so I get that part. Regardless, I highly recommend jumping on T-Mobile once it's available. Prices can't be beat

 

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I get it but you still don't. The link I have is legit. All you're doing is saying without any knowledge that it's not accurate. Let me point out one thing that proves my numbers. You proved my numbers with your post when you said this...

Now this is where you're going to explain how cable hasn't increased in speeds in 7yrs
My numbers indicate a modest 102.2mbps average for century link as of today and you say 40mbps as of 7yrs ago. So anyone who knows about internet and speeds knows on average speeds double every two years. If you saying it's still 40mbps then it's you my boy, not the area.

Another thing, you think living in an area makes you an expert or even knowledgeable? I know networking n shyt bruh, been dealing with it on many levels for decades. Have you ever installed cable and internet? I totally understand how all this works and I also understand how data is collected and stored. They not collecting company stated numbers because downloads would be up to x amount. Cox claims like up to 800mbps on their gig connection but the cuz averages was around 230 which is around what I was getting with cox on Xbox downloads (210-250 average)

Also you said over $200 for cable and internet, I questioned that much for just internet. Both bundled is usually 170-250 range depending on what you have so I get that part. Regardless, I highly recommend jumping on T-Mobile once it's available. Prices can't be beat

This is easily some of the dumbest shyt I've ever read.

Until you actually shop for service at an address, you have no clue what's actually available to you. Using area averages does nothing but tell you what you theoretically COULD get, but trying to tell someone that they're wrong about what speeds they can get at their own house when you don't even live on that side of the country is fukking asinine.

You'll notice that I haven't said anything about internet options in your area. Because I'm only in the DMV like once every ten years to visit family, so I don't have any real world reference point for the market.

Also breh, please don't try to flaunt your networking accumen. You tried to say that T Mobile could get signal absolutely everywhere because they use satellites. As if cell phone towers haven't been a thing since the early 90s.

And clearly, if you were as well versed as you just claimed you are, you'd understand that the averages that you're pulling up can't account for location specific variables such as signal loss, condition of the copper that's been laid from local junction to the residence, etc.

I legitimately have no idea why you're arguing so hard over something you have no real way to drill down into.

 

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cable wars.

 

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cable wars.

Cable, soundbars, what constitutes a spoiler, my derail resume is impeccable.

 

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This is easily some of the dumbest shyt I've ever read.

Agreed

Until you actually shop for service at an address, you have no clue what's actually available to you. Using area averages does nothing but tell you what you theoretically COULD get, but trying to tell someone that they're wrong about what speeds they can get at their own house when you don't even live on that side of the country is fukking asinine.

What's insane is you lying about what I said so you can lie to yourself that you're winning an discussion like if we can't scroll up?
What I said previously handles what you had to say in the future...

that's not what those numbers represent and you can check for previous years as well, your assumptions about speed was just flat out incorrect when discussing averages. Not saying you yourself didn't experience what you said but again, you broke down reasons why it could be slow but you then expanded that problem to the rest of the city. Truth is 88% of Arizona has high speed not less than. Also in the link

Also in the link will be a reoccurring theme...

You'll notice that I haven't said anything about internet options in your area. Because I'm only in the DMV like once every ten years to visit family, so I don't have any real world reference point for the market.

You can tell me how many ppl on average play a game, but you think you internet companies and third parties don't keep track of these things? So if I put in a zip code you're saying I wouldn't get a list of cables providers in that area?

The link even has it by area code, but let me put it in a way you understand better. When a cable man comes to your house to hook you up, they don't say in a Morty voice "Ahh geez, I have no fukkin idea how fast your speeds will be. Well, let's see what we get!!!"

But here you are acting like this is how you always operated

Also breh, please don't try to flaunt your networking accumen. You tried to say that T Mobile could get signal absolutely everywhere because they use satellites. As if cell phone towers haven't been a thing since the early 90s.

Oh I said absolutely anywhere, that's what I said bruh? Mandatory much?

And clearly, if you were as well versed as you just claimed you are, you'd understand that the averages that you're pulling up can't account for location specific variables such as signal loss, condition of the copper that's been laid from local junction to the residence, etc.

I legitimately have no idea why you're arguing so hard over something you have no real way to drill down into.

Did you think you just made a point? Again, you're under the assumption nobody takes stats and we can't look them up from anywhere. Welcome to 1997 bruh

 

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Agreed

What's insane is you lying about what I said so you can lie to yourself that you're winning an discussion like if we can't scroll up?
What I said previously handles what you had to say in the future...

Also in the link will be a reoccurring theme...

You can tell me how many ppl on average play a game, but you think you internet companies and third parties don't keep track of these things? So if I put in a zip code you're saying I wouldn't get a list of cables providers in that area?

The link even has it by area code, but let me put it in a way you understand better. When a cable man comes to your house to hook you up, they don't say in a Morty voice "Ahh geez, I have no fukkin idea how fast your speeds will be. Well, let's see what we get!!!"

But here you are acting like this is how you always operated


Oh I said absolutely anywhere, that's what I said bruh? Mandatory much?

Did you think you just made a point? Again, you're under the assumption nobody takes stats and we can't look them up from anywhere. Welcome to 1997 bruh

Oh word, so you can confirm exactly what packages and pricing are available JUST off a zip code?

And at this point, if you still have a cable guy coming out to your house to do anything other than drop lines for a new outlet, I don't know what to tell you. Becauss you sure as shyt don't have them telling you what speed you're getting. You would've already figured that out when you purchased the service, which is what I'm saying. It's why when you're purchasing or moving service, they don't just ask for a zip code. They ask for your full address to confirm what's available there.

fukk outta here, dumb nikka.

And yes, dumbass, you DID say T Mobile could get you internet anywhere.

As for T-Mobile, they use satellites or basically their own internet and can broadcast that signal anywhere. It's just a matter of if your area is a good spot for T-Mobile's towers/satellites to reach. They don't have the same restrictions.

One of the reasons that services like T Mobile and Verizon (or Clear a generation before them) struggle with adoption is that the network footprint often doesn't support rolling it out to as many customers as either the consumer or supplier would like. Cell providers can't even get you solid phone service everywhere in the country, and they're supposed to be able to provide high speed internet anywhere? Sure.

 

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Deathloop is a lot of fun

 

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cool…I’ll probably make it xbox green

 

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SO mad I just copped one.

 

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Oh word, so you can confirm exactly what packages and pricing are available JUST off a zip code?

And at this point, if you still have a cable guy coming out to your house to do anything other than drop lines for a new outlet, I don't know what to tell you. Becauss you sure as shyt don't have them telling you what speed you're getting. You would've already figured that out when you purchased the service, which is what I'm saying. It's why when you're purchasing or moving service, they don't just ask for a zip code. They ask for your full address to confirm what's available there.

fukk outta here, dumb nikka.

And yes, dumbass, you DID say T Mobile could get you internet anywhere.



One of the reasons that services like T Mobile and Verizon (or Clear a generation before them) struggle with adoption is that the network footprint often doesn't support rolling it out to as many customers as either the consumer or supplier would like. Cell providers can't even get you solid phone service everywhere in the country, and they're supposed to be able to provide high speed internet anywhere? Sure.

Look bruh, I know you hurt a little bit so that's why you're sohh emotional. I didn't say shyt about pricing and packaging via a zip code. I was talking about internet speeds. In your emotions you kinda forgot and then ranted one like a woman who isn't getting piped the way she likes. Now listen good sugar, didn't I say when you have a cable man come to your house to hook your shyt up they have an idea before hooking you up what speeds to expect. Then they have after they achieve that. They can also track not only your data to key track of shyt like data limits, but they can also track speeds YOU DUMB SON OF A bytch

There are literally websites dedicated to this, if there's something obstructing your signal then it's the installers job to figure out how to correct it via signal boost or replacing older cables. I don't have to live in bumfukk Oregon to tell you what the average internet speeds are there just like I wouldn't have to live in Hong Kong to tell you they got fast internet. How do we know where we rank in the world of these things can't be tracked?

So anyways the T-Mobile shyt you saying. Clearly you in your overzealousness took a line, removed all context and ignored the very next line that makes your really idiotic and insufficient. How can it be everywhere when I say IF IT REACHES YOUR AREA IN THE NEXT LINE
The service just became available in my area and I'm in the East coast tech valley supposedly. If I was saying what you're saying I'm saying then I'm the last to get this service available. Yup, that's what I thought and that's what I said. And now I'm saying adios

 

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SO mad I just copped one.

what difference does that make…does this only apply to the white controller?