The way I remember it, when NWA were in their prime Public Enemy was always bigger.

[Art Barr]

Art Bar u are hilarious


You been going on and on about me not admitting I'm wrong yet u said nothing to the weirdo who said I was white that u co signed. Come on guy, how can I take u serious after that? Never once did u tell that weirdo to admit he was wrong....And he disrespected me as a person. Yet you closed your eyes to that and wanna go on and on about admiting wrong concerning a disagreement about music which is less important.

You deflecting again,..
I don't have a cot damn thing to do with you and that sidebar face ass convo Joe.
Of which he getting at Chu cause you talkin off brand as hell. Like in this situation in general speak that pe was bigger. Culturally that would not be true because NWA is the new school way of thougt's arguably largest immediate influx of new gateway fans in rap history. It was hysteria in some cities to get an NWA tape like teeny bop for this particular Hollywood movie script clarity brand of westcoast gangsta rap. Which felt native from being reversed engineered from criminal minded and psk to ice t's rendition of psk as well. Rap had a whole new energy when NWA came around. It was like the definitive expressive vocal for a black man at that point in time. I just don't see how you can say that bullshyt.

It's crazy, this NWA shyt completely overrides the Mecca and supplants the culture and then amalgamated the culture.
NWA is that powerful if you really think about it. The whole world is NWA in general.

Like for real for real...the whole world is NWA and you like no,...it's PE when you know damn well nobody in general wants to be on the aware enlightened revolutionary ideals culturally presented in pe. Before PE soul'd out with that chuck gw shyt. I would hope and pray someday the world is PE breh. It just never happened like that cause nobody will probably ever influence the world in general like NWA. I mean that for real too. Right now in our whole fukk'n life the whole world is right now NWA.


Art Barr

 

[Ron Fox]

You deflecting again,..
I don't have cot damn thing to do with you and that sidebar face ass convo Joe.
Of which

Weirdo whiteboy posing as a negro called me white and u dapped him up.....Now u say u have nothing to do with it. So since u dapping up fake whiteboys calling me white I wont take u serious about admitting any wrong until I see u putting the same energy into getting him to admit he's wrong. I'm not wrong by the way.






Anyway...


Its summer 89....and PE are part of a classic scene from the movie Do The Right Thing. I mean hell, we will always associate Radio Raheem with PE. Look at the sticker in the side of the radio. Look at the name of the scene. Listen to the song that set shyt off....





@Waterproof. You have to admit. Radio Raheem would still be alive if Buggin Out didn't provoke the situation.

 

[Unknown Poster]

You mean Axl Rose?

 

[Unknown Poster]

Love them both.

Me too.
I saw PE live in 2007.
Wish I could of seen NWA live.

 

[Waterproof]

Weirdo whiteboy posing as a negro called me white and u dapped him up.....Now u say u have nothing to do with it. So since u dapping up fake whiteboys calling me white I wont take u serious about admitting any wrong until I see u putting the same energy into getting him to admit he's wrong. I'm not wrong by the way.






Anyway...


Its summer 89....and PE are part of a classic scene from the movie Do The Right Thing. I mean hell, we will always associate Radio Raheem with PE. Look at the sticker in the side of the radio. Look at the name of the scene. Listen to the song that set shyt off....





@Waterproof. You have to admit. Radio Raheem would still be alive if Buggin Out didn't provoke the situation.

Radio Raheem was a casualty in a War

 

[filial_piety]

Dude...I agee with everything u just said.

But I didnt say anything about PE being "more influential"..I said that PE was bigger then NWA during their prime. U obviously haven't read what I posted cuz I been said NWA were more influential......Trap musik is the grandson of Gangster rap, yet there is no conscious hip hop on that PE level unless its deep in the underground. I do find it odd that u keep bigging up Beastie Boys as if the hood was bumping them...Nobody in the hood was fukking with that Pauls Boutiqe like that yet u bigging them up over PE. I also find it odd that u acknowledge Run DMC when they were falling off right when PE and NWA was making noise.

I mean I agree with everything u said about NWA (except u misquoting me about them being more influential) but for you to say PE were just a lil bigger then EPMD makes u look suspect at u actually knowing their impact. Had u said DJ Jazzy Jeff and the fresh prince maybe...but Not EPMD. I honestly think u just weren't up on PE like that for u to say they were a 'lil bigger' then EPMD. That stands out. And I loved 88-92 EPMD to death but would never say that.



And props on being cordial and not being childish with the disagreements like previous posters

I read what you said though, and while you did say that...my point remains. You can't take away their impact and popularity today without including their influence. Their impact as it is measured today is a reflection of their popularity back then and today NWA is the bigger one between the two. Like I said, you don't want to look at that because it eliminates your point lol.

But as for the Beastie Boys...they are from Brooklyn...who cares about the hood? The hood in Brooklyn and NYC for that matter weren't the only ones listening to rap music nor were the only ones creating it. I personally wasn't into them myself...but I can't deny their popularity. And I mentioned RUN DMC as amongst the biggest groups of all time....including Wu Tang and NWA.


And As for EPMD...I didn't say they were bigger...what I am saying is that if you hypotthetically could jump in a time machine and go back to 1989, I myself, couldn't imagine my friends or my cousins seeing PE being ANY bigger than EPMD, BDP, Salt n Peppa etc etc (these are all just examples). In otherwords they were all playing on pretty much the same level of popularity, but none of them were THE TOP group to anyone. I just don't remember it being any other way.


They were all pretty much on the same level as far as popularity....and NWA in my eyes was clearly BIGGER at that time. I'll admit that Flava Flav was iconic with his act (clothes, oversized clock, hat sideways, and wild dancing) but he was seen more as a sideshow CLOWN than an actual respected musical talent....and I'll admit thinking back to it that the PE Logo did appear randomly on TV with people wearing them...and occasionally their music was in backgrounds of certain movies (think Jungle Fever in 1991 when the Italian guy was playing it in his car, or in 1990 House Party during the battle) BUT NWA was EVERYWHERE. Everyone wore Raiders, and Kings hats and starter jackets...and EVERYONE knew where COmpton was whether you listened to them or not no matter where you were from.

I could go to Vermont RIGHT now, knock on any random door and ask someone if they ever heard of Compton....and then fly down to Arkansas and Ask the same question...and I would get the same answer...and that answer would be YES.

That's how big NWA's popularity was back then....anybody and everybody has heard of their hood whether you fuked with them or not.

 

[Ron Fox]

BUT NWA was EVERYWHERE. Everyone wore Raiders, and Kings hats and starter jackets...and EVERYONE knew where COmpton was whether you listened to them or not no matter where you were from.
.

Explain how NWA was everywhere when they were underground and weren't on TV or radio like that.



Explain how you mentioned raiders jackets but never said anything about the medalians, gold teeth and Farrakhan interest. Explain how u just said PE were in House Party and Jungle Fever but u didnt hear NWA in any movies during that time yet u say they were everywhere.


also u said Their impact as it is measured today is a reflection of their popularity back then but you never once mentioned 2 Live Crew who's impact isn't measured as a reflection of their popularity back then. Explain how u can stress that for NWA but not 2 Live Crew

 

[filial_piety]

Explain how NWA was everywhere when they were underground and weren't on TV or radio like that.



Explain how you mentioned raiders jackets but never said anything about the medalians, gold teeth and Farrakhan interest. Explain how u just said PE were in House Party and Jungle Fever but u didnt hear NWA in any movies during that time yet u say they were everywhere.


also u said Their impact as it is measured today is a reflection of their popularity back then but you never once mentioned 2 Live Crew who's impact isn't measured as a reflection of their popularity back then. Explain how u can stress that for NWA but not 2 Live Crew

Easy...they weren't "underground"...you don't go 3x platinum by being "underground." And yes, some songs weren't played on the air obviously, some heavily edited and still were....but songs like Express Yourself were everywhere in video and on TV. The fact that they NWA sold more back than PE even without mainstream support in comparison to PE proves my exact point. NWA was bigger between the two.

And I never said that PE didn't have any influential styles...I just said Raiders/Kings hats and starter jackets were bigger than their styles were Atleast IMO they were. Everyone had that stuff....I don't remember people rockin large clocks and multi colored hats to the side like that. And as for Farrakahn....you can't give them credit for that lol...there was alot of interest in that amongst conscious rappers...and I can say for Philly...the NOI has ALWAYS had a big influence there sincece Malcolm set up mosques there in the late50s/early 60s.


I'm not sure what 2 Live Crew has to do with any of this...and I'm not gonna go over every rap group lol

Just explain to me this....NWA dropped their album in the summer of 1988 and sold 750k before they toured (according to Rolling stone)....It takes a Nation of Milllions sold 500k in 1988 when it was released....so HOW can you say that they were bigger back then?? Where's the logic in that?

Even to date...Straight Outta Compton is 3x plat and It takes a Nation hasn't even gone plat once...

 

[Ron Fox]

Easy...they weren't "underground"...you don't go 3x platinum by being "underground." And yes, some songs weren't played on the air obviously, some heavily edited and still were....but songs like Express Yourself were everywhere in video and on TV. The fact that they NWA sold more back than PE even without mainstream support in comparison to PE proves my exact point. NWA was bigger between the two.

And I never said that PE didn't have any influential styles...I just said Raiders/Kings hats and starter jackets were bigger than their styles were Atleast IMO they were. Everyone had that stuff....I don't remember people rockin large clocks and multi colored hats to the side like that. And as for Farrakahn....you can't give them credit for that lol...there was alot of interest in that amongst conscious rappers...and I can say for Philly...the NOI has ALWAYS had a big influence there sincece Malcolm set up mosques there in the late50s/early 60s.


I'm not sure what 2 Live Crew has to do with any of this...and I'm not gonna go over every rap group lol

Just explain to me this....NWA dropped their album in the summer of 1988 and sold 750k before they toured (according to Rolling stone)....It takes a Nation of Milllions sold 500k in 1988 when it was released....so HOW can you say that they were bigger back then?? Where's the logic in that?

Even to date...Straight Outta Compton is 3x plat and It takes a Nation hasn't even gone plat once...

NWA was underground... Whats wrong with you? Mainstream was Tone Loc and Young MC. Mainstream was Salt N Pepa. Run DMC, Beastie Boys. NWA was underground. You see u telling on yaself. The dominant Genre in 88 was pop, then rock, then country..then R&B and Hip Hop was dead last. Hip Hop was not like it is now....u sound crazy. Hip Hop was not on a mainstream level like that. Even Run DMC and Beastie Boys were small fries compared to Guns N Roses and Van Halen, Prince, Bruce Springstein and George Michael. POP was the dominant music. Hip Hop overall was underground. Why u think Fresh Prince and Jeff couldnt even be at the grammys?



LOL @ u saying we cant give credit to PE for Farrakhan...who the hell in Hip Hop was sampling Farrakhan first? Which rapper made rocking gold fronts the in thing? Who the hell made medallians popular?? Dude. You said it twice, EPMD and PE were on the same level. No one who was around in 88 or 89 would say EPMD and PE were on the same level.

and What the hell u mean u dont know what 2 Live Crew has to do with any of this. These are your words
Their impact as it is measured today is a reflection of their popularity back then....So how come that doesnt apply to 2 Live Crew and all the booty shaking models in videos that didnt start till they made it popular?? What u said for NWA doesnt apply to 2 Live Crew. Thats why I brought them up.


Why teh hell are u bringing up albums sales when I already stated that rebirths changed shyt up...Do u not know that before SOC the movie SOC the album was still at 2x platinum....The movie came out in 2015 and pushed it to 3 and here u are asking me why its at 3



and this right here destroys your overall credibility ..You said

Even to date...Straight Outta Compton is 3x plat and It takes a Nation hasn't even gone plat once...



It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back” on June 28th! It is the second studio album by P.E. and was released on June 28, 1988 by Def Jam Recordings. The album charted on Billboard for 49 weeks , making it to #42. By August of 1989, it was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA)…



The fact that you would say that along with that nonsense about EPMD being in the same range as PE along with NWA being mainstream leads me to believe you are just making shyt up now.

 

[Danie84]

It Takes A Nation/Fear of a Black Planet still makes the cypher complete, tho

 

[You Win Perfect]

I be havin this shyt on repeat durin my workouts

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

This is what PE looked like in 1987:

This is what NWA looked like in 1987:

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Even in London in 1988, PE was considered the world's greatest rock n roll band

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

1989...the number.

Spike Lee's greatest film work, Do The Right Thing, centers itself around PE's anthemic "Fight The Power"

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

A very young Dawg and 25K others turn up Bed-Stuy for PE and Spike Lee at the Do The Right Thing rally/video shoot.