The way I remember it, The Big L hype online didnt start until after the Em shout out on GRODT

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

The Big Picture went gold didn't it?
Any posthumous props L got, whether it stemmed from the Eminem shoutout or not, he fully 100% deserved.
L was that nice
I was really hurt when he died
I had Lifestyles on cassette
I really wanted L to win

He had a hype off ebonics going into that album. His hype didn't come from and Eminem shoutout, I didn't even know Em did that.

 

[FreshAIG]

there is that certain myth that surrounds Big L that has always bugged me a little.
you'd think he was fukkin Percee P status with limited material the way people references the same few things over and over.

L like a street ball legend that never really made but his highlight reel is





crazy that i've seen so many threads over the years debating/comparing their debut albums and it still surprises me how many people pick Lifestylez over Capital Punishment. i fukk with L but its not even a competition. Capital Punishment blows it away. shyt, off the intro and Beware alone.

Capital Punishment is a legit Hip Hop Classic. Big L debut was a solid project. Not even close

 

[Ron Fox]

Yes I used them...you know why?

BECAUSE THE THREAD TITLE SPECIFICALLY STATES THE INTERNET



He blew up on the Internet prior to Eminem shouting him out because in large part thanks to FILE SHARING SITES

You can't be this fukking dense.

OK so i'll ask u a question since Sunzoo dodged it

U came in here with your chest poked out. You said that the Big L hype that we see today existed prior to GRODT ....So was Big Ls name in the same mix online as "Murs/Deltron3030/aesop rock/Immortal Tech/El-p/Illogic/Eydea/Mr Lif' circa 2001-2002?

Just answer the question.

 

[filial_piety]

thread isnt about pre death or post death, its about eminem making L popular
cause eminem didnt make L popular at all thats why. like AT ALL.

soon as L died he was all over the source and his legend started there

idk a soul who got into L cause of eminem

cause he died yea, em? no

L was getting those props YEARS before GRODT. i dont even know what OP is talking about

his legend was being curated 4 years before GRODT even came out

all the shyt the guys you quoted talked about dropped BEFORE GRODT.. of colurse they helped, did you read the thread title breh lol

And I'd even argue that by 2003...the big l hype had died down a few years before that. I don't remember anyone talking about big l in 2003. The Big Picture was already a few years old, the videos had dropped, and all his mixtape stuff had pretty much peaked

From my recollection, by 2001...the hype of new music seemed to center around 50,Freeway and Buddens

 

[Ron Fox]

there is that certain myth that surrounds Big L that has always bugged me a little.
you'd think he was fukkin Percee P status with limited material the way people references the same few things over and over.

L like a street ball legend that never really made but his highlight reel is





crazy that i've seen so many threads over the years debating/comparing their debut albums and it still surprises me how many people pick Lifestylez over Capital Punishment. i fukk with L but its not even a competition. Capital Punishment blows it away. shyt, off the intro and Beware alone.

Thank you





This is the real narrative...this is how I always saw it. Its the overhype as the years have passed. I love L but wasnt no one putting that L album next to Puns 1st album like that when they were both alive.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

Thats cool....But your answer has absolutly nothing to do with the thread title or the overall topic. But thanx for playing...we have some lovely parting gifts in the back.








Here u go making up shyt again....Saying i said shyt i never said......Stop doing that homie.


and u can go make your own poll.

Didnt u say u were leaving?

bro

i guarantee not ONE PERSON on this forum first heard of big l through EMINEM... not ONE. And noone likes him BECAUSE em shouted him.. its just a lazy conclusion bro..

you want me to quote you?

"Now: 'Big L was gonna be this and Big L was gonna be that' all over the internet as if thats how everyone was talking like that before the Em shout out. But u see my thing is , "well how come u dont acknowledge Lord Finesse?""

i already told you people were calling him the goat and in their top 10s in 00-01... you already said yur from harlem so how could you even have a basis on how big L was popular when hes from there.

kids in south jersey were calling L one of the goats round the time full clip dropped. thats when the source started doing coverage on him, tahts when the talk STARTED


you bring up eyedea being popular on forums when @New Jeruzalem Journalist already told you in this very thread there were mad Big L threads on sohh in 00-01 and i concur.. were you hear? why dont you remember?... eye dea being talked about online didnt even match a fraction of the sales L had with the big picture so how do you explain that.

yur basing someones popularity on mentions on a forum during the start of the rap forum era

but cant explain how that same guy sold 500,000 copies BEFORE the internet popped off like that

you base someones popularity on an eminem mention yet how come noone calls redman the goat?

if em propelled big l to goat why wouldnt he send off reggie too when he was named as his fav rapper?

thats because eminem had zero to do with hip hop fans putting L into the goat category. ZERO

the freestyle with jay STILL gets brought up today, jays popularity helped make that shyt LEGEND status

why more than finesse? finesse didnt die and get coverage like L

do you question people calling pun the goat in 2000 as well? because both guys were in LOADS of top 10s pre GRODT

people dont even talk about big L like that anymore this thread ten years late on top of that



explain how redman isnt in more peoples goats if eminem has such a hold on people that he can make them put L in their top 10. L had an accessible style, punchline heavy. hes an easy rapper to enjoy.reggie has waaaaaay better albums yet how come we dont have more redman top 10s?

cause eminems opinion dont sway anyone. he certainly dont sway black or brown people they hate his guts...

 

[Ron Fox]

And I'd even argue that by 2003...the big l hype had died down a few years before that. I don't remember anyone talking about big l in 2003. The Big Picture was already a few years old, the videos had dropped, and all his mixtape stuff had pretty much peaked

From my recollection, by 2001...the hype of new music seemed to center around 50,Freeway and Buddens

Thank you

 

[SunZoo]

Answer the question I asked u directly....Not the response I gave to someone else...


Here it is again.


Like I said, I been fukking with Messageboards since 2000.... And that whole "Murs/Deltron3030/aesop rock/Immortal Tech/El-p/Illogic/Eydea/Mr Lif" movement was what was hyped up on the internet circa 2001 - 2002. I dare you to say that those werent the names hyped up on the internet around that time and then I double dare u to say that Big L was in that same mix.

I been fukking with message boards since 98. By 01-02 Big L's "hype" had elevated his status above names like IT/Eyedea. But if you liked that type of rap, you SHOULD have known who L was and how much love he was getting postmortem, before 01-02.

Eminem can be credited for boosting his profile during his initial run but that's about it. And I don't remember people all of a sudden overrating him AFTER that...because they were overrating him before like a lot of backpackers do out of spite. "Big L is wayyyy better than Jay Z and those other mainstream guys"

I remember the shyt vividly because I was one of the few people who wouldn't co-sign it. I didn't even co-sign comparing him to Pun but shyt happens.

 

[Ron Fox]

34 minutes ago u said u were dipping out the thread. 34 minutes later u still rambling like Juelz

 

[filial_piety]

OK that sounds nice....But i'm talking about the current hype that Big L has. The hype that rides Ls cock while ignoring Lord Finesse. Are you gonna dare say that the current hype is equal to the hype prior to 2003?

I don't know what hype you're talking about in 2003...I don't remember anyone talking about him that year. IMHO the Big L craze died around late 2000. He had a strong internet underground run for about a year.

By 2001ish outside of mainstream Jay, Nas, Em etc....everyone was hyped about Fab, 50, Freeway and Buddens

 

[ZEB WALTON]

34 minutes ago u said u were dipping out the thread. 34 minutes later u still rambling like Juelz

34 minutes ago i asked you a question and 5 replies and 34 minutes later you still cant answer any of them
i notice how you cherry pick shyt to reply to and dont even read. didnt even respond to a single point cause its just so.... wrong...

its cool breh, i know what popping out the smileys mean


why isnt redman the goat to cacs then? cant answer a single question i asked cause i just destroyed ya thread.

its cool tho. b.e.z.

 

[Ron Fox]

I been fukking with message boards since 98. By 01-02 Big L's "hype" had elevated his status above names like IT/Eyedea. But if you liked that type of rap, you SHOULD have known who L was and how much love he was getting postmortem, before 01-02.

Eminem can be credited for boosting his profile during his initial run...for about 5 minutes. I don't remember people all of a sudden overrating him AFTER that...they were overrating him before like a lot of backpack nerds do. "Big L is wayyyy better than Jay Z and those other mainstream guys"

I remember the shyt vividly because I was one of the few people who wouldn't co-sign it. I didn't even co-sign comparing him to Pun but shyt happens.

@MTAFZ and @AMcV'88 version sounds more like the versions I remember...



Guess we gonna have to agree to disagree.

 

[SunZoo]

I don't know what hype you're talking about in 2003...I don't remember anyone talking about him that year. IMHO the Big L craze died around late 2000. He had a strong internet underground run for about a year.

Exactly how I remember it.

I mean why you think Em said his name in the first place? "Some Big and some Pac, mix em up in a pop, sprinkle a little Big L on top". He was basically saying I got mainstream appeal and I got that underground MC pedigree with the lines.

Because whether it was backpackers or nikkas like the A-Team, he was looked at like he fathered modern day punchline era. He was getting a lot of props that LF should have been getting but it is what it is. Postmortem stimulus package.

 

[Ron Fox]

I don't know what hype you're talking about in 2003...I don't remember anyone talking about him that year. IMHO the Big L craze died around late 2000. He had a strong internet underground run for about a year.

By 2001ish outside of mainstream Jay, Nas, Em etc....everyone was hyped about Fab, 50, Freeway and Buddens

I never said anything about 2003...only said he got the Em name drop that year. The Big L craze u are refering to that died around late 2000's is what I'mrefering to. Thats the hype that I say was pushed by Em. Now u may disagee with that...But my argument is that there was no Lord Finesse hype around that same time...No OC hype.....No AG hype......now if dudes wanna argue his death pushing him well then the question of well why did Soulja Slim have a #1 song after death yet wasnt getting that same hype as Big L ? and Em was still considered a god around this time so I'm saying that his promotion of L helped the online hype that u are refering to..... Late 2000's is when the world had access to youtube and smartphones.....the country wasnt fukking with the net like that till the Myspace/Youtube era....thats the era i'm specifically talking about even tho the Big L hype still lingers.

 

[SunZoo]

But my argument is that there was no Lord Finesse hype around that same time...No OC hype.....No AG hype......now if dudes wanna argue his death pushing him well then the question of well why did Soulja Slim have a #1 song after death yet wasnt getting that same hype as Big L ?

Because Lord Finnese's last album was in 96 homie, that's why.

L's death coincided with what I call the punchline era....so people looked at him like that's where it stemmed from even though that wasn't really the case. He was more fresh in people's minds due to him being a new artist that got killed right as he was about to get signed to the Roc.

And Slim was in a different niche.

Big L would have been contemporaries with Jay Z...someone who people believe would have been better.

and Em was still considered a god around this time so I'm saying that his promotion of L helped the online hype that u are refering to..... Late 2000's is when the world had access to youtube and smartphones.....the country wasnt fukking with the net like that till the Myspace/Youtube era....thats the era i'm specifically talking about even tho the Big L hype still lingers.