The UK’s CMA has expressed concern that Microsoft‘s Activision merger could “significantly weaken” PlayStation (Updated with lawyer breakdown)

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fukk are you even talking about??

Reply to me breh. Reply to what i said :comeon:
What he said is no different than what you said. You claimed that devs were "forced" to sign deals with Sony in order to do business with them. That's a damn lie, plenty of devs don't sign deals with Sony and they do just fine.
As the market leader sony has lots of influence on what deals get signed.

Publishers have to play to sonys terms cause that’s the only way they are gonna sell a lot of games.

Sure they have a “choice” just as Activision had a “choice” as to wether they wanted to be purchased or not.
This is bullshyt, Sony's influence isn't the deciding factor on rather or not a game will sell, plenty of devs do just fine without marketing deals from Sony.
You didn’t post any recent examples of microsoft Paying to keep content off playstation or PS+
Now it has to be recent enough to matter, before you said there were zero examples of it happening.

The persona remasters are examples of it

Psychonauts 2 also didn't get a ps5 release due to the deal with microsoft.
With you claiming everything is said was a lie.

I’ve now proven everything i said and you keep pivoting to other stuff.

First you jumped to start talking about “performance party” clauses.

Then you baselessly claimed Microsoft paid sega not to upgrade the playstation version of persona. A game that originally released on PS3 and has had dozens of iterations, sega has had years to make a PS5 version, but yeah according to you they were forced not to make one cause of microsoft:mjlol:
Nothing you said has been correct, only thing I was wrong about was microsofts contracts nor leaking, but even when that was clarified, it proved that microsoft had the same parity clauses that sony had.


My claims aren't baseless, the persona games are being marketed as remasters, oddly playstation is left out of all promotional material for those games, next gen enhancements are exclusive to Xbox, and Persona 5 was pulled off sonys subscription service. Plus all those games are hitting gamepass day 1. It's pretty fukking obvious they signed a deal with microsoft, but keep acting like Atlus chose not to promote remasters of their games on playstation for no reason.
 
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What he said is no different than what you said. You claimed that devs were "forced" to sign deals with Sony in order to do business with them. That's a damn lie, plenty of devs don't sign deals with Sony and they do just fine.
So why not quote me? And no I never said they were “forced” to sign the deal in order to do business with sony.

Quote the post where i said that:ohhh:

Once again, you are just making up stuff and replying to whatever the hell you want to reply to.
This is bullshyt, Sony's influence isn't the deciding factor on rather or not a game will sell, plenty of devs do just fine without marketing deals from Sony.
Sony and Microsoft and nintendo dictate terms for what it takes to get on their console. Not surprisingly devs will gravitate towards the market leader. They know if they puss off sony they will have a hard road forward. Conversely when it comes to signing marketing deals sony will ALWAYS get the best terms as being the market leader.
Now it has to be recent enough to matter, before you said there were zero examples of it happening.
No. I never said there was Zero examples.

Quote that post too :stopitslime:

I said microsoft’s strategy changed. They said it a long time ago and they’ve stuck to their word thus far.

Another example of you making up shyt to argue against instead of reading and replying to my actual post :smh:
The persona remasters are examples of it
No. It’s not.

Sega has had literal years to remaster/upgrade those games to PS4/5. It’s been decades that they’ve skipped out on Xbox

Microsoft paid to finally have the series come to xbox

This is in no way similar to Sony paying Activision to not put content on xbox and preventing them from dealing with gamepass for years after release.
Psychonauts 2 also didn't get a ps5 release due to the deal with microsoft.
The fukk? Microsoft owns that game. This is like saying Sony didn’t make an xbox version of uncharted.

You just saying dumb shyt at this point :mjlol:
Nothing you said has been correct, only thing I was wrong about was microsofts contracts nor leaking, but even when that was clarified, it proved that microsoft had the same parity clauses that sony had.
Go back to the post, you claimed Microsoft’s contracts never leaked AND that none of this info came from court proceedings.

I proved both of those points then you pivoted to talking about a parity clause which was never a point of contention in here and something that was settled literal YEARS ago.
My claims aren't baseless, the persona games are being marketed as remasters, oddly playstation is left out of all promotional material for those games, next gen enhancements are exclusive to Xbox, and Persona 5 was pulled off sonys subscription service. Plus all those games are hitting gamepass day 1. It's pretty fukking obvious they signed a deal with microsoft, but keep acting like Atlus chose not to promote remasters of their games on playstation for no reason.
No. You made up that they signed a deal cause you desperately need to try to draw some parallels.

In reality the Persona 5 “remaster” is releasing on both current gen systems.

and 3 and 4 are coming to PS5 via PS4 backwards compatibility.

The only discrepancy here is that they will be “backwards compatible” PS4 games.

This is because they would have to make two Skus if they want a PS4 and PS5 version, and there is no Xbox one version.

So people took this and ran with the idea that xbox is getting the “best version” when ultimately both will be getting the same damn games.

Yes they signed a marketing deal with xbox, that is obvious. But the deal does absolutely nothing to alter or take away content going to playstation consoles. No, next gen enhancements are NOT exclusive to xbox.

You even went as far as to blame Sonys shrewd business practices on microsoft.(protect sony at all costs:wow:)

They removed that game from PS+ so they could sell the remaster, don’t have shyt to do with xbox. They did the same with TLOU. When it was time to sell a new Remaster, they removed it from PS+

Microsoft doesn’t block PS+ from getting games. This has been demonstrated with games like deathloop where microsoft launched it on PS+ and Gamepass simultaneously.

Another instance of you being dead fukking wrong, but i’m sure you will pivot to some whole other shyt now :mjlol:
 
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So why not quote me? And no I never said they were “forced” to sign the deal in order to do business with sony.

Quote the post where i said that:ohhh:

Once again, you are just making up stuff and replying to whatever the hell you want to reply to.
I did quote you, it was right under the other quote.
Sony continually pays devs NOT to put content on xbox and forces devs to sign anti-competitive contracts in order to do business with them.

Sony and Microsoft and nintendo dictate terms for what it takes to get on their console. Not surprisingly devs will gravitate towards the market leader. They know if they puss off sony they will have a hard road forward. Conversely when it comes to signing marketing deals sony will ALWAYS get the best terms as being the market leader.
There's no examples of a Dev having a "hard road forward" because they didn't sign a deal with sony, you're making shyt up. Nobody is forced to take those deals.
No. It’s not.

Sega has had literal years to remaster/upgrade those games to PS4/5. It’s been decades that they’ve skipped out on Xbox

Microsoft paid to finally have the series come to xbox

This is in no way similar to Sony paying Activision to not put content on xbox and preventing them from dealing with gamepass for years after release.
They didn't have to take that deal, and why would sony pay for a marketing deal just for the game to be released for free on a competitors hardware? And they were coming off a deal with microsoft where they had exclusive dlc.
The fukk? Microsoft owns that game. This is like saying Sony didn’t make an xbox version of uncharted.

You just saying dumb shyt at this point :mjlol:
That game was crowd funded and published by another company, microsoft purchased the rights and prevented a ps5 release. That's completely different than something like uncharted and you know it.
only discrepancy here is that they will be “backwards compatible” PS4 games.

This is because they would have to make two Skus if they want a PS4 and PS5 version, and there is no Xbox one version.

So people took this and ran with the idea that xbox is getting the “best version” when ultimately both will be getting the same damn games.

Yes they signed a marketing deal with xbox, that is obvious. But the deal does absolutely nothing to alter or take away content going to playstation consoles. No, next gen enhancements are NOT exclusive to xbox.

You even went as far as to blame Sonys shrewd business practices on microsoft.(protect sony at all costs:wow:)

They removed that game from PS+ so they could sell the remaster, don’t have shyt to do with xbox. They did the same with TLOU. When it was time to sell a new Remaster, they removed it from PS+

Microsoft doesn’t block PS+ from getting games. This has been demonstrated with games like deathloop where microsoft launched it on PS+ and Gamepass simultaneously.
No, Atlus specifically said that the remasters would also be developed natively for for series x


"With the Xbox Series X/S receiving next-gen versions of a trio of Persona titles in the near future, developers have confirmed that it will be exclusive to the fresh platform.

Although previous Persona games have been mostly exclusive to PlayStation, the new releases of Persona 4 and its prequel are being made natively for the Xbox Series X/S. Persona titles 3 through 5 were announced for Xbox Series X/S during the Xbox and Bethesda Showcase in June, but because the games are being made natively for the latest Xbox hardware, they'll see a staggered release. Persona 5 has an Xbox Series X/S release date of October 21, while Persona 3 and 4 will arrive on the Microsoft platform on January 19, but PlayStation fans will be left waiting for a next-gen update to these titles."
 

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I did quote you, it was right under the other quote.
We have the contract and official statements from court proceedings. In order to do a marketing deal with Sony, devs have to give up their ability to do business elsewhere.
There's no examples of a Dev having a "hard road forward" because they didn't sign a deal with sony, you're making shyt up. Nobody is forced to take those deals.
The hell you mean? It’s clear signing a marketing deal with Sony is a huge boost. That’s why studios do it. COD, the most popular game on earth still uses a marketing deal with sony for a boost. Games that don’t get that privilege are at an automatic disadvantage.
They didn't have to take that deal, and why would sony pay for a marketing deal just for the game to be released for free on a competitors hardware? And they were coming off a deal with microsoft where they had exclusive dlc.
They didn’t HAVE to sell to microsoft either, but here we are
That game was crowd funded and published by another company, microsoft purchased the rights and prevented a ps5 release. That's completely different than something like uncharted and you know it.
No. The game was published by microsoft. Before microsoft purchased the studio the game was gonna probably be self published. The kickstarter was only a small portion of the funding. Microsoft gave them a bunch of money to pay back investors early and add a bunch of stuff to the game. The game that ultimately released was nothing like the game that would have released without microsoft’s involvement. This is/was a fully owned microsoft title just like Halo or something. They could have chosen to cancel the PS4 version if they wanted to.

They didn’t “prevent” a PS5 release as the game was fully developed for X1/PS4. The kickstarter was always for a PS4 game. PS5 was never in the picture.

what they didn’t do is put in the extra work for a native PS5 version.
No, Atlus specifically said that the remasters would also be developed natively for for series x


"With the Xbox Series X/S receiving next-gen versions of a trio of Persona titles in the near future, developers have confirmed that it will be exclusive to the fresh platform.

Although previous Persona games have been mostly exclusive to PlayStation, the new releases of Persona 4 and its prequel are being made natively for the Xbox Series X/S. Persona titles 3 through 5 were announced for Xbox Series X/S during the Xbox and Bethesda Showcase in June, but because the games are being made natively for the latest Xbox hardware, they'll see a staggered release. Persona 5 has an Xbox Series X/S release date of October 21, while Persona 3 and 4 will arrive on the Microsoft platform on January 19, but PlayStation fans will be left waiting for a next-gen update to these titles."
This is just a dumb ass article trying to make a controversy where there is none. Gotta use your reading comprehension skills.

Being “native” to Series X means nothing. The games are not being made for X1 period so obviously they would be “native” to series x.

The games ARE releasing on PS4 therefore they aren’t considered “native”

But it’s the same damn games and the same experience. It just wouldn’t make sense to build a version for PS4 and then Build a version for PS5.

These are 20 year old games, theres no such thing as a “next gen version”

They are old ass games being ported to modern consoles.

What do you think a PS5 version could/would do that the PS4 version can’t/won’t?
 
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I know that the theatrics are great but this is going to pass 100% without concession. Just going through the steps needed right now.

CMA has no case whatsoever; Microsoft lawyers eviscerated their phase 1 arguments top to bottom, hell they used their own statistics and official regulatory guidelines for a good chunk of their rebuttal :dead: I've seen talking points from idiot console stans on here that'd hold up better in court than theirs.
 

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When you pray at the altar of moron shills like Colteastwood and Jez Cordon, you get the babble espoused in this thread :snoop:

Thats really what it comes down to.

These guys sound like brainwashed conspiracy theorists with how theyre juelzing around facts and sensationalizing everything about this acquisition into some good vs evil story.
 

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Thats really what it comes down to.

These guys sound like brainwashed conspiracy theorists with how theyre juelzing around facts and sensationalizing everything about this acquisition into some good vs evil story.
Couple that with Microsoft's documented history since inception of scumbaggery like they are some good guys :mjlol:
 

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Seem like CMA has a hard on for blocking American companies after the news with Facebook etc... this shyt may get ugly. This will make shyt worst for Activision and Microsoft may go elsewhere buying multiple publishers for that 70 billion price.
 

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Seem like CMA has a hard on for blocking American companies after the news with Facebook etc... this shyt may get ugly. This will make shyt worst for Activision and Microsoft may go elsewhere buying multiple publishers for that 70 billion price.
It's passing breh. Even getting away from fanboy babble and just looking at pure facts, you can see that it is a foregone conclusion. There are too many instances of other companies, segments of gaming, marketplaces that does not receive the benefit of a call of duty and they thrive. This affects one company and one company only negatively, Sony. Sony ≠ gaming no matter how many times they try to assert that they do. Other gaming companies don't care, the union wants this, Activision wants this.

Meta and Giphy is something entirely different than this. No monopolies will be created from this. Not to mention that CMA was factually incorrect on so many things included in their report and in other facets, Microsoft used their own words against them. It was a thorough undressing of their report. Sony was in the cloud before Microsoft with Gaikai, its not Microsoft's fault Gaikai never made anything of itself. So many people used to clown the cloud stuff now it's going to be the thing that holds this back? This is all performative in nature but there isn't a basis under which this stands to be anything but a 100% Microsoft victory.

We will see what the FTC is leaning towards by November 8. I fully expect that they will follow along with what Brazil and the UAE has already done.
 
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