The UFO/UAP disclosure thread

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Without even watching the video, I wanna say that I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that "social media and virtual reality destroy every civilization just as it's getting off the ground" is a very plausible solution to the paradox.
Scientists are baffled, breh...
 

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If someone drops a load of bullshyt in front of me, it's easy to recognize as bullshyt. Shoveling extra wheelbarrows of the stuff until it becomes a mountain doesn't change anything, it's still bullshyt, just a bigger pile.


Why do you think iPhones are the peak evidence we've been able to gather? There are millions of far more sophisticated cameras all across the world at any given moment. One of the hilarious things about UFO sightings is that even though our cameras get better and better and better, the shytty-ass photos and hoaxes stay the same.

Why is it that with a MASSIVE increase in the # of people who have cameras at any one time, and a MASSIVE increase in the quality of photographic equipment and # of people with elite photography skills, the quality of UFO pictures has stayed exactly the same for 80 years running?


It's also funny that back in the 1950s-1970s, we had tons of stories of aliens landing right in people's backyards, walking up, trying to communicate, etc. But now that everyone has a camera at all times, where are the ship landings now? Why doesn't anyone ever snap a photo when the aliens are right in front of them?


What? :childplease:

First we had black and white still photos.
Then we got color photos.
Then we started getting some film.
Then we started getting videotape quality from ppl with home cameras.
Then we started getting more photos from disposable cameras and even more video.
Then we started getting phone camera videos.
Then we started getting fighter pilot/military videos.

The quality, context, reputable sources, and amount of videos have ABSOLUTELY increased from the old black and white still frames of the 50's to the color photos and videos we now have on a weekly basis from ppl across the planet. To claim otherwise is a straight up unnecessary blatant lie :heh:
But you want HD close-up photos of objects maneuvering at heights and speeds that NASA, the Navy and the Airforce can't explain :mjlol:


We get it Rhakim. Little green men need to knock on your door and show some form of intergalactic identification before you take any of this seriously. :snoop:
 

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What? :childplease:

First we had black and white still photos.
Then we got color photos.
Then we started getting some film.
Then we started getting videotape quality from ppl with home cameras.
Then we started getting more photos from disposable cameras and even more video.
Then we started getting phone camera videos.
Then we started getting fighter pilot/military videos.

The quality, context, reputable sources, and amount of videos have ABSOLUTELY increased from the old black and white still frames of the 50's to the color photos and videos we now have on a weekly basis from ppl across the planet. To claim otherwise is a straight up unnecessary blatant lie :heh:

Breh, you just exactly proved my point. :comeon:

Our technology has improved from shytty black-and-white cameras with no zoom, to the nicest fukking cameras available and even military. But what's the actual quality of the images?

1950 UFO image:

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1951:

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1952:

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Now, after 70 years and vastly improved technology? We're all the way up to:

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If you have seen better images, I'd love to see them.

But the truth is, there's a clear limit on how clear UFO images can be. Because if they were too clear, it would be obvious that they weren't UFOs. Either the method of fakery would be too clear, or the actual real-life object would be too visible.

Exact same shyt is true with Bigfoot. Even though 100x more folk carry cameras in the forest than ever before, and even though those cameras are 100x better, and even though amateur wildlife photography has improved by 100-fold, Bigfoot photos are now blurrier than ever before. Because if they were any sharper, it would be obvious that it wasn't bigfoot.
 

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First of all, according to Matt Ford of Stand for Better:

"I can 100% tell you Shellenberger 's sources are 100% solid, and you can take this article to the bank & what Dave Grusch is telling you as 100% true."


Your source verifying this top-secret government information, on his own authority, is "Matt Ford". From the comments:


The_Box_muncher (u/The_Box_muncher) - Reddit
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Who's Matt Ford?


Conchobar_the_nude
  • Matt Ford is a lighting guy for TV who runs a middling political satire blog.

    I am 100% serious.


A TV lighting guy / political blogger. :francis:



I'm intrigued by the 12 or more statement. That was a very specific number
What did I just read ...


I wouldn't be surprised if they have 12+ craft that that guy knows about. But how does he know they're alien, and not just spy planes and drones from other countries?

One huge warning sign:

Others said that the U.S. has been able to fly at least one of the retrieved craft. “Some of the tech is very cutting-edge,” said a source, “and they have to travel to places like Italy, Belgium, and Indonesia to do flight testing. It’s worldwide. Some of our allies know about the programs. The clandestine places that they work out of have grown larger.”

The sources said they suspected that the Chinese and Russians had also retrieved craft, but they did not know for certain.

"Some" of the the tech is very "cutting edge"? Really? We're talking about fukking interstellar aliens, ALL of the tech should be LIGHT YEARS beyond us, not "some" and "cutting edge".

Imagine showing a Me-262 Schwalbe (1940s tech) to someone in 1904. They wouldn't say, "This is very cutting edge." They would say, there is no way this is from our planet". Or think of showing a 1990s smartphone to someone using vaccuum tube computers. They wouldn't even be able to begin to comprehend it, it would be so far beyond the technology that had been built.

And that's just jumping 30-40 years in the future, on our own planet. These aliens have been flying across the galaxy for decades, and yet their tech just looks like cutting-edge Earth tech?

Also, we're going back to the issue that the USA is recovering such craft, and also Russia and China....why not every other country on Earth? And ALL of them have kept the secret until now?



One of the sources revealed that there has existed since the early 2000s a top-secret computer discussion platform known as “R-Space,” and that it has grown to include 1,500 government or government-funded scientists and analysts evaluating UAPs.

So they have 1500 scientists evaluating these UAPs. Let's say 1480 just think they're regular enemy tech, but 20 come to believe they're alien tech, and 7-8 of those 20 speak up. This entire kerflaffle could be being driven by 1% of the involved people who happen to be conspiracy minded and just to conclusions a bit too easily.
 

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I'm a big believer in UFOs, but I'm not sold on this new whistleblower yet. Anybody can say anything, but without proof, it's just talk. People have spoken about crash retrieval programs for decades. If one has been following ufology like I have throughout the years, he isn't saying anything new. I want to see the proof. At least with Elizondo, he provided videos. This new guy is just reporting what he heard from other people. I find that problematic. Hopefully it will come to something, but until he provides some sort of evidence, his claims mean little to me.
 

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@Rhakim what do you think of this?



I posted that in the other thread already. The occupants of the craft (dead) were reported as being 5'11" with blonde hair, the rough sketches of the craft give the appearance of some sort of early rocket, and the Italians' first assumption was that it was an experimental German craft that has flown and crashed over the border. The ET narrative around it developed later.

I don't have any reason to doubt the USA eventually took possession of it, but..... seriously doubt it was aliens. And I'd bet anything all of his "documents" that have any validity say the same thing - documentation of a crash retrieval program that doesn't talk about any proof of aliens at all.
 
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