A few months ago we got word that JJ Abrams was releasing a UFO documentary mini series. Episode 1 was just released
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A few months ago we got word that JJ Abrams was releasing a UFO documentary mini series. Episode 1 was just released
'They want people to take them seriously': Space Force wary of taking over UFO mission
'They want people to take them seriously': Space Force wary of taking over UFO mission
The newest branch is among a number of military and intelligence organizations in the running to take over the investigation of unexplained aircraft.
A United States Space Force flag hangs from a pole, with flags of other armed service branches, outside the Minnesota State Capitol building on May 22, 2021 in St. Paul, Minnesota. | Stephen Maturen/Getty Images
By BRYAN BENDER
08/09/2021 02:06 PM EDT
Updated: 08/09/2021 08:48 PM EDT
The Pentagon is considering giving the Space Force a greater role in a stepped-up effort to track and investigate reports of UFOs. But the newest military branch isn't over the moon about the idea.
Space Force leaders are still struggling to rebrand an organization that has been lampooned since before its birth. Now, they are conflicted about becoming the military's go-to on what the Pentagon now calls "unidentified aerial phenomena," according to five current and former officials taking part in the discussions.
other forms of popular ridicule that the Space Force has endured since it was championed by then-President Donald Trump in 2018, who made it an applause line in his political rallies.
"They really are sensitive to that," the former official said. "They want people to take them seriously. They don't want to do anything that is embarrassing. But this is national security. This is their job."
June report to Congress from the director of national intelligence concluded that all but one of 144 UFO sightings that were reviewed could not be explained, including 18 that appeared to exhibit advanced properties.
The unclassified summary stated that "we currently lack sufficient information in our dataset to attribute incidents to specific explanations." It also concluded that the unknown craft "clearly pose a safety of flight issue and may pose a challenge to U.S. national security."
In response, the undersecretary of defense for intelligence and security is developing a plan to "formalize the mission" after being instructed by Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks.
a memo to senior military leadersfollowing the report's release, Hicks sought a plan "for the establishment and operation of the new activity, to include the organizational alignment, resources and staffing required, as well as any necessary authorities."
The issue has primarily been overseen by a temporary Pentagon UAP Task Forcethat was stood up in 2020 and led by the Navy, whose pilots, radars and other surveillance systems have compiled most of the recent reports of unexplained sightings.
The Pentagon has provided few details about the deliberations over what will replace the task force. "Planning for an activity to take over the UAPTF’s mission is ongoing," said Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough.
The Space Force declined to address the internal deliberations. The Department of the Air Force, which oversees the Space Force, also deferred questions to Gough.
Congress, which requested the UAP report, is also planning to play more of a role.
The Senate's version of the fiscal 2022 Intelligence Act includes several provisions on the subject, including requiring classified reports to Congress on UAP sightings and analysis every quarter, as well as calling on all agencies to share any data they have so that a more comprehensive UFO file can be compiled for further study.
A congressional staffer also told POLITICO the classified portion of the bill includes a provision outlining more parameters for tackling the subject over the longer term, including recommending additional funding to finance the effort.
A former Pentagon official also said he expects there will also be legislative guidance on UAPs in a final version of the National Defense Authorization Act.
Space Security and Defense Program, which reports to both the Pentagon and the director of national intelligence, which oversees all spy agencies.
The outfit has a broad writ to assess potential space threats and also has authority to award contracts to develop new collection capabilities. Other candidates for a greater role in overseeing UFO issues are the Defense Intelligence Agency, which studies foreign weapons systems and has a history of researching such sightings, as well as the North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado, which is responsible for defending the nation's airspace.
Chris Mellon, a former senior Pentagon intelligence official and congressional staffer who has been advising the military on the topic, said whoever is tasked with leading a more permanent effort needs to be willing to work closely with numerous military, intelligence and law enforcement agencies across the government as well as the academic and scientific communities and the public.
"NORAD would seem to make sense, but again its willingness to share information with other organizations is questionable. Still, they have money and contracting authority and the heft needed to make changes to the status quo if they were willing to aggressively pursue the issue," he wrote in a recent blog post.
"Regardless," he added, "the first and most important step for Congress to take is to either identify a permanent home for the mission or require DoD and the [intelligence community] to do so and to explain their resulting rationale with the oversight committees."
If this was all part of "disclosure", then wouldn't taking over the project make them objects of prestige, rather than embarrassment and ridicule?
The claim that Elizondo's security clearance ever gave him smoking-gun info on UFOs is looking less and less likely.
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wow, this is awesome and super interesting. I've never heard of this until now. So many quotables.
"this ain't no radioshack type drone"
"we can't see him with our night vision"
"can you confirm this is a quadcopter type drone?" - "Negative"
"he's at 14,000 ft now"
"this isn't like no battery i've ever seen - not with the activity and altitude he's been playing with"
"we've taken about 8 of those into custody over the years and none of them come close to what that was doing"
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Alot of people saying this new group is going to be covering up even more than the other one. Lue elizondo isn't a fan of it
This is huge and most Americans are barely aware of it. The UFO discussion is going to take a dramatic turn in the next few years. And if Lue and Mellon are correct we may have a massive paradigm shift.
I’m just astounded how the enormity of this legislation is lost upon society at large. It really shows how ignorant we have become. Literally the only bipartisan piece of legislation that has passed. A setup that will now make a whole of government approach to study UFO’s. This will involve all major government departments and top scientists. Congress will have to be briefed and this will lead to public hearings. 30 years ago this would have been the biggest story for the next 30 years. Now it’s just, eh
