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MIKE SPLEAN

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It's a confusing picture because you assume it's a single moment in time. The key is where the photographer said he was taking long-exposure shots of the Milky Way. When trying to photograph the Milky Way, photographers set the camera on a still tripod and then take a very long exposure shot. Look at the windows on the house in the pictures and you can tell those aren't normal pictures, the windows are even brighter than the object in the sky, proving the exposure is quite long.

What the picture is showing is a long-exposure of an object with bright lights on the bottom and a blinking red light in the middle. The exposure was long enough for the bright lights to travel across a short bit of sky (making them look elongated rather than single-point) and for the red blinking light to blink 8 times.

What kind of object? I can't tell how far away it is or how large it is, but the pattern looks exactly like a police helicopter with its spotlight on.


UFO extended exposure:
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Police helicopter quick exposure:
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Only difference is that in the top photo the helicopter is pointing slightly toward the observer (so the tail is partly behind it rather than just on the side) and the exposure is longer so the searchlight blurs a line and the red light blinks 8 times in a row before the shutter closes.




Here's video:





The first couple seconds I timestamped, when the copter is still far away, are virtually the exact same view as in the photos. Imagine a long exposure as the helicopter moves slowly to the left and towards the cameraman so that the taillight is somewhat above and behind the spotlight (I think the helicopter in the photo would have been traveling slower than the helicopter in the video). It would show the extended bright spotlight with the light below and the small red light blinking periodically. It's literally the exact same thing.


Extra evidence #1: The photographer says he heard "engine noise" as it flew overhead - do we really think flying saucers sound like internal combustion engines now?

Extra evidence #2: If you look at the youtube comments someone in the area saw the same thing that night. Their exact description? "Saw it on my way to work on my overnight shift in Kankakee County, IL as I was crossing the river. I thought it was a helicopter because it was following the bends in the river looking for something, but it just didn't look right."


Seems pretty likely that a conversation with the local police or whoever governs flight paths in the area would clear it up. Unless it's a drone, but from the evidence I think it's likely to be a full-sized helicopter.

Breh it’s a fukking ufo
 

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Breh it’s a fukking ufo

1. By the photographer's own admission and the other details of the photo, those are long-exposure shots, right? Yes or no?

2. And the sequence of photos shows that the "UFO" was moving across the sky, right? Yes or no?

3. So if the object was moving across the sky and the shots were long-exposure shots, then any moving object should be blurred beyond all recognition, right? Yes or no?



The fact that those are long-exposure shots prove that the object can't possibly be a "lit up disk" with "red light windows", as the pro-alien interpreters are claiming. It HAS to be a small point-source searchlight with an even smaller blinking red light.

Even though it looks exactly like the lights on a police helicopter, is behaving exactly like a police helicopter, had engine noise exactly like a police helicopter, and someone else saw a police helicopter nearby acting the same way on the very same night, you can choose not to believe that it is a police helicopter if you don't want to. But the fact that it as long-exposure shot means you can't deny that the image is formed by a small bright light and a blinking red light, and any claims to there being any saucer-shape object or lit windows etc. are bullshyt.
 

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1. By the photographer's own admission and the other details of the photo, those are long-exposure shots, right? Yes or no?

2. And the sequence of photos shows that the "UFO" was moving across the sky, right? Yes or no?

3. So if the object was moving across the sky and the shots were long-exposure shots, then any moving object should be blurred beyond all recognition, right? Yes or no?



The fact that those are long-exposure shots prove that the object can't possibly be a "lit up disk" with "red light windows", as the pro-alien interpreters are claiming. It HAS to be a small point-source searchlight with an even smaller blinking red light.

Even though it looks exactly like the lights on a police helicopter, is behaving exactly like a police helicopter, had engine noise exactly like a police helicopter, and someone else saw a police helicopter nearby acting the same way on the very same night, you can choose not to believe that it is a police helicopter if you don't want to. But the fact that it as long-exposure shot means you can't deny that the image is formed by a small bright light and a blinking red light, and any claims to there being any saucer-shape object or lit windows etc. are bullshyt.
It’s a ufo bro
We don’t know what it is and prob will never know
Most likely military but who knows
 

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Imagine being a regular scientist working in a lab at MIT/Stanford/Caltech and you're slamming your head against the wall trying to figure out a groundbreaking physics problem. Meanwhile some a$$hole at Area 51 already figured shyt out decades ago but can't publish his findings. If I were a scientist I'd like to work on some of that crazy bleeding edge military shyt. Flying tic-tac-shaped crafts with no visible propulsion system? shyt that can disappear and reappear at will? shyt that can drop 50k miles in altitude in a couple of seconds? shyt...where do I sign up?
 

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Imagine being a regular scientist working in a lab at MIT/Stanford/Caltech and you're slamming your head against the wall trying to figure out a groundbreaking physics problem. Meanwhile some a$$hole at Area 51 already figured shyt out decades ago but can't publish his findings. If I were a scientist I'd like to work on some of that crazy bleeding edge military shyt. Flying tic-tac-shaped crafts with no visible propulsion system? shyt that can disappear and reappear at will? shyt that can drop 50k miles in altitude in a couple of seconds? shyt...where do I sign up?

Have you ever met a scientist at any of those places who was stressing Area 51 like that?
 

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I don't know what the relevance to the thread is but that's a fukking crazy takeoff for an aircraft that big.





This on the other hand....both manned and maneuverable. :mjpls:








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kinda tic tac ish amirite
:russ:

No disrespect breh but what is the point of this post exactly? I can't imagine anyone mistaking that aircraft for UAP.



Well I've meant to share a few non ufo/uap sightings I've had over the years that have really left me questioning ufo/uap...


One day I had a C5 Galaxy fly over me to land at a rural airport that I wouldn't have expected in my wildest dreams. The plane is the size of a football field. Another time I saw two A-10's flyover the top of the trees at dawn when I was pulling an all nighter. A few times this summer I went up to my summer house and have seen F35's and F16's training it's almost otherworldly to see them in action. A little while back I was reading a an area paper and a woman thought she was going to be abducted by a UFO but it was really just an AH-64 tracking her. I don't think Americans comprehend how omnipresent their military's might is and like to jump to fanciful conclusions instead...
 
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kinda tic tac ish amirite
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Nah, "tic tac" is really obviously in 90% of cases gonna be an aircraft fuselage in poor visibility or glare. But this thing does fit the "spherical" sightings really well. There are other spherical balloons and such tho so I wouldn't say it necessarily is responsible for many or all of those sightings.
 

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'They want people to take them seriously': Space Force wary of taking over UFO mission


'They want people to take them seriously': Space Force wary of taking over UFO mission
The newest branch is among a number of military and intelligence organizations in the running to take over the investigation of unexplained aircraft.

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A United States Space Force flag hangs from a pole, with flags of other armed service branches, outside the Minnesota State Capitol building on May 22, 2021 in St. Paul, Minnesota. | Stephen Maturen/Getty Images

By BRYAN BENDER

08/09/2021 02:06 PM EDT

Updated: 08/09/2021 08:48 PM EDT

The Pentagon is considering giving the Space Force a greater role in a stepped-up effort to track and investigate reports of UFOs. But the newest military branch isn't over the moon about the idea.

Space Force leaders are still struggling to rebrand an organization that has been lampooned since before its birth. Now, they are conflicted about becoming the military's go-to on what the Pentagon now calls "unidentified aerial phenomena," according to five current and former officials taking part in the discussions.

other forms of popular ridicule that the Space Force has endured since it was championed by then-President Donald Trump in 2018, who made it an applause line in his political rallies.

"They really are sensitive to that," the former official said. "They want people to take them seriously. They don't want to do anything that is embarrassing. But this is national security. This is their job."

June report to Congress from the director of national intelligence concluded that all but one of 144 UFO sightings that were reviewed could not be explained, including 18 that appeared to exhibit advanced properties.

The unclassified summary stated that "we currently lack sufficient information in our dataset to attribute incidents to specific explanations." It also concluded that the unknown craft "clearly pose a safety of flight issue and may pose a challenge to U.S. national security."

In response, the undersecretary of defense for intelligence and security is developing a plan to "formalize the mission" after being instructed by Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks.

a memo to senior military leadersfollowing the report's release, Hicks sought a plan "for the establishment and operation of the new activity, to include the organizational alignment, resources and staffing required, as well as any necessary authorities."

The issue has primarily been overseen by a temporary Pentagon UAP Task Forcethat was stood up in 2020 and led by the Navy, whose pilots, radars and other surveillance systems have compiled most of the recent reports of unexplained sightings.

The Pentagon has provided few details about the deliberations over what will replace the task force. "Planning for an activity to take over the UAPTF’s mission is ongoing," said Pentagon spokesperson Susan Gough.

The Space Force declined to address the internal deliberations. The Department of the Air Force, which oversees the Space Force, also deferred questions to Gough.

Congress, which requested the UAP report, is also planning to play more of a role.

The Senate's version of the fiscal 2022 Intelligence Act includes several provisions on the subject, including requiring classified reports to Congress on UAP sightings and analysis every quarter, as well as calling on all agencies to share any data they have so that a more comprehensive UFO file can be compiled for further study.

A congressional staffer also told POLITICO the classified portion of the bill includes a provision outlining more parameters for tackling the subject over the longer term, including recommending additional funding to finance the effort.

A former Pentagon official also said he expects there will also be legislative guidance on UAPs in a final version of the National Defense Authorization Act.

Space Security and Defense Program, which reports to both the Pentagon and the director of national intelligence, which oversees all spy agencies.

The outfit has a broad writ to assess potential space threats and also has authority to award contracts to develop new collection capabilities. Other candidates for a greater role in overseeing UFO issues are the Defense Intelligence Agency, which studies foreign weapons systems and has a history of researching such sightings, as well as the North American Aerospace Defense Command in Colorado, which is responsible for defending the nation's airspace.

Chris Mellon, a former senior Pentagon intelligence official and congressional staffer who has been advising the military on the topic, said whoever is tasked with leading a more permanent effort needs to be willing to work closely with numerous military, intelligence and law enforcement agencies across the government as well as the academic and scientific communities and the public.

"NORAD would seem to make sense, but again its willingness to share information with other organizations is questionable. Still, they have money and contracting authority and the heft needed to make changes to the status quo if they were willing to aggressively pursue the issue," he wrote in a recent blog post.

"Regardless," he added, "the first and most important step for Congress to take is to either identify a permanent home for the mission or require DoD and the [intelligence community] to do so and to explain their resulting rationale with the oversight committees."
 
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