The UFO/UAP disclosure thread

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Um, really?


"While the report explicitly stated that "unusual" activity had been reported on multiple occasions, it also did not rule out that those incidents were the result of errors or "spoofing."

"In a limited number of incidents, UAP reportedly appeared to exhibit unusual flight characteristics. These observations could be the result of sensor errors, spoofing, or observer misperception and require additional rigorous analysis," the report said."



That's directly from the report. I don't expect an apology. :usure:
Do you really believe that you’re better at debunking these ufos than the military?
 

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i wonder why conspiracy theorists and alien theorists wont consider the possibility the government now benefits in some way from you believing there is more to this than just drones or some other espionage or experimentation. they didnt care for years, but now that some private grifter group has "worked" with them and went to the media to garner as much attention as possible, they actually care enough to release "findings" to us? the CIA doesnt have to do this. so why do it?

i remember in the 90s, the UFO community were also concerned with misinformation. today, people are very accepting of things coming from intelligence agencies.
 

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Do you really believe that you’re better at debunking these ufos than the military?

No, why? If you think any of my posts claim that then you're not paying much attention to what's going on.

First off, I haven't claimed to "debunk" any of these videos myself. I simply evaluate the conclusions of those who have done far more work on the subject than I ever would and repost the more compelling ones.

Second, I'm not sure that we've gotten any evidence yet of how much work the military has done. If Elizondo is to be believed on the matter, they've hardly done any work at all. For all we know, Mick West and his helpers have spent more time and applied more expertise to the matter than the people who wrote the report. I don't necessarily believe this, but just want to point out that it's what Elizondo was claiming.

But most important, there is absolutely no evidence that the military's conclusions have been any different than mine. I have not "identified" any of the objects in the military videos (unless the Aguadilla video is included in that Pentagon group, and even then I can't be conclusive when the thing was so few pixels). What I have pointed out is that the claims that these objects "have" to be alien, or are "very likely" to be alien, is bunk since they're not doing anything that an earthly vehicle couldn't do. Does that mean that I've proven they were a Russian plane, a Chinese drone, a distant passenger plane, a stationary balloon? As I've pointed out repeatedly, there's so little information from these little blurry videos and so little to trust in unverified eyewitness reports that nothing definitive could ever be said. For all we know they are alien spacecraft simply choosing to move as normally as earthly craft.

But Occum's Razor suggests that an unidentified object that can't be proven to be doing anything extraordinary should be assumed to be normal until proven otherwise. Like I said before, we don't attribute unsolved murders to ghosts and it's meaningless to attribute unidentified objects to aliens when valid earthly explanations remain far more likely.

You kept trying to dunk on me when you misinterpreted the updates to be saying something they weren't. Now we have the report and it's just like I told you it would be - not one new revelation at all. There isn't a single statement in the report that contradicts a single thing I've said in this or any other thread. However, there is a LOT that contradicts claims previously made by Eric Davis, Luis Elizondo, and many posters here.

So if the report is accurate and the government knows nothing, then you were wrong about "disclosure" and all that, and Davis/Elizondo were lying to you. And if the report is false and you state that the government is lying about what it knows, then how can you use a report full of lies to support your case at all?
 

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Of course this news would be released on a Friday evening (historically a burial ground for press releases).:coffee:
 

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Just remember the most important statements the report can make is it’s unidentified and it’s not US tech. Those two statements if made are game changers. Can’t walk back from that. The US has a military budget greater than the next 10 countries combined. That shyt ain’t China or Russia and they just waiting for everybody else to realize it.
I've always wondered what the rationale would be for our government to have developed such amazing technology only to sit on it. Why engage in diplomacy with other nations if our weaponry is so advanced?:hhh: I never understood that argument from folks who insist these crafts are a part of some U.S military black ops project.
 

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Key line from the report: ""We have no clear indications that there is any nonterrestrial explanation for them — but we will go wherever the data takes us....we currently lack data to indicate any UAP are part of a foreign collection program or indicative of a major technological advancement by a potential adversary."

After all that bullshyt about "100 to 1000 years ahead of us!", there is no actual data showing a major technological advancement. As I kept saying over and over and people in this thread claimed it was idiotic of me to say so.



I've always wondered what the rationale would be for our government to have developed such amazing technology only to sit on it. Why engage in diplomacy with other nations if our weaponry is so advanced?:hhh: I never understood that argument from folks who insist these crafts are a part of some U.S military black ops project.
It's worth noting that advanced weaponry isn't some sort of major bullet to win wars. There have been several cases where a military force with weaponry 50-100 years ahead of their opponent has suffered enormous losses and failed to complete their objective. Even if we had advanced weapons, what would we do with them? Is there any country the USA could take over right now without it causing more problems than it is worth?

Plus, all military history has shown that once you reveal a novel technology, it is immediately copied and implemented by all your enemies in a very short time period.

If the American military really has some incredible undisclosed technology (and I'm not saying that they do), I can easily imagine they would save it in case of an actual threat to the country or major world war with other global powers. There just isn't that much to gain beforehand and the longer you keep it a secret, the longer you keep the advantage for when you really need it.
 

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Elizondo decided to play the false "disclosure" as a win (of course), and then went on Tucker Carlson and suggested.....Atlantis.

“This is certainly a historic moment for us, for our country, and I think, for our military and our intelligence community,” Luis Elizondo, who says he formerly led the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), told Fox News’ “Tucker Carlson Tonight.”

“The question is: What is it? … One of the hypotheses when I was at AATIP was that this could be as natural to earth as we are, we’re just not at a point where technologically we’re advanced enough that we can begin to actually collect information on it, and begin to try to figure out what it is,” Elizondo told host Tucker Carlson. “There’s been other hypotheses that these things are possibly from underwater, and as outlandish as it may seem, there is some anecdotal evidence that supports all of these observations....”

He then brought up the “sea monsters” described by sailors in the Age of Exploration. “There really are sea monsters — but now, 500 years later, we call them great squids of the Pacific, great white sharks and whales,” he said back in April. “They’re part of nature and we learned to understand them.”

Elizondo said humanity could once again be faced with the same scenario. “Maybe,” he proposed, “this is just another expedition over the horizon. Maybe we’re going to realize that what we thought were monsters are really just our neighbors.”

“When I’ve had my private communications with some of my former colleagues and some people that are still in Washington DC, the conversation that these are non-human-controlled vehicles, but still intelligently controlled by something or someone, is certainly not off the table,” he said.

“These are conversations that are absolutely occurring, but … because of stigma and taboo, no one’s having this conversation really publicly … that’s part of the problem.”

If y'all dont' realize how fukking nonsense this shyt is and how he's constantly talking forever while saying nothing. :usure:


Also notice that he's not claiming the government is lying. He isn't saying anything about the government knowing more than they've let on. He's playing the report totally straight. Compare that to the shyt he was saying before that if people knew what he did, "there would be an exhalation for a day then a turning inwards to try and understand what this means for our species and ourselves....people will have serious soul-searching to do." So was he lying then or is he lying now?


Grifter. There's no wiggle room left. :francis:
 
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He literally just "jumped the shark" in that interview.

So UAPs are possibly sea monsters now, huh buddy? :stopitslime:

Can't believe I used to take this dude seriously.

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That was more an awkwardly worded analogy than a direct connection. UAPs are potentially from an Atlantis-like civilization that is under our ocean and far superior to us and somehow magically undetectable and making no contribution to the Earth in terms of heat, light or other EM waves, sonar waves, etc. Somehow, the fact that sailors reported sea monsters which turned out to be real animals is what makes that possible (though with VERY poorly misreported eyewitness observations distorting their attributes - hint hint). Without the slightest evidence for Atlantis and a huge amount of evidence against it this is a remarkably ridiculous idea to put forward, but I guess he was worried the attention was about to slip from his grasp and needed a clickbaity claim to get the focus back on the most important person, who is of course Luis Elizondo.

Something I've realized from the last two Elizondo interviews I've seen is that he tends to fill up time by making long-winded and irrelevant analogies, and in so doing talks so much about something very specific that his interviewers either don't realize (or don't care) that he hasn't said anything of substance about the actual topic at all. At no point in that Tucker Carlson interview does he give any additional insight into a single UAP sighting or say anything about the report that isn't already known from the other coverage of the report. Other than throwing out the Atlantis misdirection, there wasn't a single statement of substance in that entire interview. What did the interview do, who did it inform? Nothing and nobody, it just got more attention for Luis Elizondo.

The reddit AMA linked on the last page was even worse - I watched that entire 80-minute interview and he said NOTHING of substance the entire time. 20% of his answers are simply repeating well-known public information, 70% of his answers are those long-winded irrelevant analogies that contain literally zero information about UAPs themselves, and then the last 10% is that bullshyt about all humanity undergoing a deep period of reflection and reassessment of reality if they only knew what he knew....which he appears to walk back just days later when he admits that the government (and thus presumably Luis Elizondo) don't actually know anything at all.
 

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i wonder why conspiracy theorists and alien theorists wont consider the possibility the government now benefits in some way from you believing there is more to this than just drones or some other espionage or experimentation. they didnt care for years, but now that some private grifter group has "worked" with them and went to the media to garner as much attention as possible, they actually care enough to release "findings" to us? the CIA doesnt have to do this. so why do it?

i remember in the 90s, the UFO community were also concerned with misinformation. today, people are very accepting of things coming from intelligence agencies.
I think conspiracy theorists are almost all goofy, and almost always wrong.
 

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Why do you keep reposting videos of people with no information or expertise saying the same shyt we all already know, but wrong?


That first tweet of his he posts at the very beginning of the video is 100% false and could only have been typed by someone who either didn't understand the report or is just a liar for views.

His summary of the government's conclusion is also wrong.

What he said about China/Russia is also wrong.

Claiming there's no possible scientific explanation for any of it is wrong.

Claiming that all 143 incidents are part of the same phenomena is wrong.

Claiming that 18 incidents showed movement beyond anything known possible is wrong.


The denseness in this video is ridiculous. If he was right it would have been an amazing, groundbreaking report, whereas even UFO advocates are largely admitting that there's damn near nothing there.
 
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I think conspiracy theorists are almost all goofy, and almost always wrong.
as someone who is very skeptical of official narratives and government agencies...i do have to agree with you. modern day conspiracy theorists have some of the WOAT critical thinking and standards for evidence. from what i can tell, it got worse and worse over the years. there was a time in the 70s and 80s when serious journalists would challenge official narratives with actual investigative journalism and a commitment to not making claims that were a reach. pacifica news and alternative views tv show make today's discourse look like a scene from idiocracy. i dont know if this is a type of cointelpro or just the natural consequence of for profit media, but things are getting worse and we are less capable of discerning BS.
 
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