The UFO/UAP disclosure thread

[Professor Emeritus]

I don’t think any of that contradicts what @El Negro Suave said. There’s definitely concern that we don’t have air superiority in our own air, and it’s being admitted that we don’t.

I suspect a big reason why is that even though these UAPs have air superiority, and have been reported for 70 years, they are clearly not shooting down our fighter jets, or making blatantly aggressive maneuvers against. They’ve done things like actively jammed radar, but 70 years of not being overtly hostile has probably made many in the military just kind of shrug at it.

I don't think those assumptions logically follow. Foo Fighters, Flying Saucers, Black Triangles, Tic Tacs, the sightings seem to change radically depending on the year and who is looking. The assumption that 80 years of sightings are connected doesn't follow.

And it seems to me to be far too big a coincidence that the history of these kinds of sightings seems to almost perfectly match the time period that we started putting a bunch of planes up in the air, even though most of the sightings could have been made just as easily from the ground. Foo Fighters appear the moment pilots start flying in stormy weather and can view atmospheric conditions from the air. Flying saucers appear when humans start putting a bunch of objects in the sky and popular culture starts broadcasting flying saucers on TV. Black Triangles appear when triangle shaped stealth planes start making secret flights and jets start flying in formation at night. Tic Tacs appear when drones start getting built and new imaging systems result in new (but blurred) data getting picked up.

I think saying, "These things have been around for 70 years" implies that there's some clear connection between appearances over time, and I don't see any reason to make that assumption at all. The military, NASA, scientists across the world would drop everything and devote all the resources they could to study this shyt if they really believe it was incredible alien technology. But they don't even make basic efforts cause they don't really believe it.

I mean even know, what are we supposed to do? We don’t have air superiority, and that sucks. But we can’t catch up. We don’t even understand the tech here, and we certainly can’t replicate it.

How could we assume all that when we haven't even tried?

Also, there’s a massive stigma and it’s understandable that not many higher ups in decades prior would want to make it a top prototype to pursue something that would put their careers at stake, or at the very least make them a laughing stock.

There are multiple inherent contractions here, ones which already exist throughout the thread:

#1. I keep being told that these sightings are super common
#2. I keep being told that fighter pilots and other people who observe these things are impeccable observers who should be completely trusted
#3. I keep being told that these people don't report sightings cause they would be laughingstocks

If sightings are so common, then why would reports be laughed at? If pilots are such amazing observers, then why would the people who know them best refuse to believe their reports? It seems kind of ridiculous that we're being told we should believe these observers absolutely, then are told that even their own colleagues and superiors wouldn't believe them.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Which is what I said multiple times.

They only ran the program in order to create graft to funnel back to one of Harry Reid's donors, and had the program run by an unqualified person who had zero pull. That tells you exactly how seriously the government has taken all this. Until To The Stars started using their media connections and payments to former government officials in order to create a publicity firestorm, it wasn't even worth a report.

 

[MIKE SPLEAN]

You guys keep ignoring the subject and just trying to take shots on me instead.




Why would civilians going to space make a difference? There are already dozens of private companies in space, and nearly all of the observations are on Earth anyway, not in space. You're suggesting that all of the 500+ people from 20+ countries who have been in space (along with the thousands and thousands of support crew who communicate with them, see their feeds, etc.) are all in on some conspiracy together?




You are correct that NASA is generally dismissive of most of these sightings as they don't rise to the level of evidence that people at NASA take seriously. However, there are a lot of people at NASA who are VERY interesting in life outside our planet and who spend their careers working on this exact question, especially at JPL and Ames. Y'all ignore their expertise, the people who literally spend their lives studying extraterrestrial life in space, and instead bow down to a CIA spook who doesn't have a single qualification in the subject outside of enthusiasm.

The new NASA head is a politician. There's no need to speculate at why this is happening when we know the entire sequence of events.

Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program (Published 2017)

Tom DeLonge’s UFO Organization Has a $37.4 Million Deficit

1. Robert Bigelow, a wealthy Nevada businessman, UFO buff, and friend of Senator Harry Reid, makes large donations to Reid's senate campaign.

2. Sen. Reid writes a $22 million UFO investigation into the Pentagon's budget, with Luis Elizondo being put in charge of the investigation and most of the contracts getting kicked back to Bigelow's company in an obvious corruption scheme.

3. When Reid's original funding dries up the investigation is discontinued as the Pentagon doesn't see any need for it.

4. Tom Delonge, lead singer of Blink-182, creates To The Stars which is listed as a media and entertainment company making books and videos about UFOs, both fiction and nonfiction.

5. Elizondo quits the government, complaining that they aren't taking UFOs seriously, and is paid by Delonge to join his media company. Delonge pays a number of former government officials to begin promoting the UFO cause on cable TV shows, often including stock promises, and racks up a huge deficit.

6. Elizondo releases multiple videos which the government had already known about for years (and still didn't take UFOs seriously). To The Stars employees including Elizondo and other government officials go on a media blitz, appearing on morning shows, cable news, their own cable TV show, etc., pushing the government to make statements on UFO sightings and in turn getting publicity for their media company.

7. Several senators and other government officials latch on to the story, either due to their own interest or interest from their constituents, and ask for a report.


None of that is a conspiracy - literally every step in the process is public information and is not in dispute. There is no need to create a new narrative when we've seen the entire process play out in the open. The government isn't "taking this more seriously"

 

[MIKE SPLEAN]

UAP’s UFOs are jinn or egregores or nommo

 

[KillerB88]

UAP’s UFOs are jinn or egregores or nommo

Breh this is Higher Learning. Can we keep the conversation to the science and politics? There's no point in attaching labels to anything at this stage.

 

[FlyBoy718]

I really don’t think people appreciate or can comprehend the amount of aircraft we field and are testing despite how much we all gripe about the known budget and unknown “black budget” lol

Your post does a great job of illustrating the increasingly diverse design of drones and various aircraft known to man. However, it doesn't convey the "technology" that UAP have displayed. I can assure you none of the craft shown in those pictures come close to mimicking the maneuvers described by credible witnesses in which these crafts defy the known laws of physics and any other scientific discipline you can reference.

 

[KillerB88]

Your post does a great job of illustrating the increasingly diverse design of drones and various aircraft known to man. However, it doesn't convey the "technology" that UAP have displayed. I can assure you none of the craft shown in those pictures come close to mimicking the maneuvers described by credible witnesses in which these crafts defy the laws of physics and any other scientific discipline you can reference.

Not to nitpick-- but I believe it's in better taste to say "known" laws.

 

[KillerB88]

 

[KillerB88]

 

[FlyBoy718]

Not to nitpick-- but I believe it's in better taste to say "known" laws.

Duly noted. That encapsulates the spirit of my statement.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Your post does a great job of illustrating the increasingly diverse design of drones and various aircraft known to man. However, it doesn't convey the "technology" that UAP have displayed. I can assure you none of the craft shown in those pictures come close to mimicking the maneuvers described by credible witnesses in which these crafts defy the known laws of physics and any other scientific discipline you can reference.

That we’re aware of….

The human eye and cameras are flawed.

 

[Leavingtheecstasy]

I don't think those assumptions logically follow. Foo Fighters, Flying Saucers, Black Triangles, Tic Tacs, the sightings seem to change radically depending on the year and who is looking. The assumption that 80 years of sightings are connected doesn't follow.

And it seems to me to be far too big a coincidence that the history of these kinds of sightings seems to almost perfectly match the time period that we started putting a bunch of planes up in the air, even though most of the sightings could have been made just as easily from the ground. Foo Fighters appear the moment pilots start flying in stormy weather and can view atmospheric conditions from the air. Flying saucers appear when humans start putting a bunch of objects in the sky and popular culture starts broadcasting flying saucers on TV. Black Triangles appear when triangle shaped stealth planes start making secret flights and jets start flying in formation at night. Tic Tacs appear when drones start getting built and new imaging systems result in new (but blurred) data getting picked up.

I think saying, "These things have been around for 70 years" implies that there's some clear connection between appearances over time, and I don't see any reason to make that assumption at all. The military, NASA, scientists across the world would drop everything and devote all the resources they could to study this shyt if they really believe it was incredible alien technology. But they don't even make basic efforts cause they don't really believe it.




How could we assume all that when we haven't even tried?





There are multiple inherent contractions here, ones which already exist throughout the thread:

#1. I keep being told that these sightings are super common
#2. I keep being told that fighter pilots and other people who observe these things are impeccable observers who should be completely trusted
#3. I keep being told that these people don't report sightings cause they would be laughingstocks

If sightings are so common, then why would reports be laughed at? If pilots are such amazing observers, then why would the people who know them best refuse to believe their reports? It seems kind of ridiculous that we're being told we should believe these observers absolutely, then are told that even their own colleagues and superiors wouldn't believe them.

Although I respect your point of view. The tic tac was seen 50 years before drone technology.

The tic tacs have had multiple sightings through multiple generations, it has been referred to as a lozenge back in the day.

 

[Micky Mikey]

Although I respect your point of view. The tic tac was seen 50 years before drone technology.

The tic tacs have had multiple sightings through multiple generations, it has been referred to as a lozenge back in the day.

You're right. tic tac ufos have been witnessed for a long time. Most notable case is the Zamora case.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

The First Two B-21 Stealth Bombers Are Now Ready For Testing

ufo/uap sightings about to go through the roof

 

[KillerB88]

The First Two B-21 Stealth Bombers Are Now Ready For Testing

ufo/uap sightings about to go through the roof

You're obviously making a poor attempt at being facetious. People are sharing real information in here. Why disrespect the thread? If you think it's all nonsense, ignore it and don't engage.