The tyranny of female hypoagency

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They might be full of negative stereotypes against men, but the problem is discerning where they come from, and the answer isn't "women created them." That ad you've shown is a perfect example. It was a Super Bowl ad, which is the biggest male audience of any event year-round. Men are meant to be watching that ad. And who
I dont know the specifics but the ad was probably made by a man in a male dominated advertising agency....the men who work at these agencies are perhaps graduates of liberal arts programs at colleges where their feminist lecturers taught them to chant the mantra [you must never hit a woman] but a woman hitting a man :ehh: thats a grey area..hell its even funny.

It could be, but that would be a difficult argument to support, seeing as inchoate anger and bitterness doesn't do much for anyone.
I agree
All the labor, risk, and responsibility? This assumes that labor doesn't include domestic work, for one, which is a strange position. It's well documented that more women are primary caretakers for their children, and for non-child relatives, then men are. If that doesn't count as labor and responsibility, I don't know what to tell you, but of course, that cognitive bias itself is male in origin.
My bad, youre right i see the cognitive bias..it is important work

As for risk- men aren't nearly as at risk for things like rape or domestic violence as women are, so it depends on how you define risk. Men are more likely to die in combat, yes, or be murdered (almost always by other men.)
:leon: I define risk as the classic threat to life and limb..men are always at more risk and not just in millitary roles or the more extreme stuff..every dangerous job that i ever had had one thing in common..it was a sausagefest
Go to an oil rig,coal mine,sewage plant any job where someone can and will get killed or injured and see for yourself

The other point that I find interesting here is that you don't see what labor, risk, and responsibility being taken on by men implies for women- in other words, less actual freedom. It's not as if women are enjoying great autonomy while men are taking on all those burdens.
I disagree even criminals and drug dealers bring home the loot to share but who faces all the risk of incarceration or getting murdered by rivals or law enforcement.

Additionally, among working women, most of them with kids take care of the children in addition to working full time- does that look to you like a society in which men take on most of the burdens?
Youre right there are women who rise up to that challenge but those individuals are not very common.

I'm glad we can agree on this, but I don't know what feminists you're used to seeing. MRAs, like racists, love to use the minority of women who are extremists or believe in female domination or hating men or whatever else as representatives of feminism in general. As someone who has worked closely with womens' rights organizations in the past, I have honestly never met any such people in my life.
Youre lucky,ive met a few of the man hating kind :scusthov:

Feminism isn't responsible for those things. That's an absurd suggestion, breh. How can a movement that was meant to destroy the stereotypes about women (like the stereotype that women are naturally caretakers, homemakers) be responsible for increased custody bias against men, which depends on exactly that same stereotype?
Perhaps we differ in what we perceive as feminism..i think perhaps you view them as what they used to be

Unfortunately work calls so I will address the rest of your post when i return
 

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:leon: I define risk as the classic threat to life and limb..men are always at more risk and not just in millitary roles or the more extreme stuff..every dangerous job that i ever had had one thing in common..it was a sausagefest
Go to an oil rig,coal mine,sewage plant any job where someone can and will get killed or injured and see for yourself

Difference between dying on an oil rig or in a coal mine vs dying at the hands of a domestic abuser or being raped is that the men signed up for the jobs fully aware of the dangers of them, whereas no woman signs up to get beaten or raped


I disagree even criminals and drug dealers bring home the loot to share but who faces all the risk of incarceration or getting murdered by rivals or law enforcement.
Again, nobody is putting a gun to drug dealer's heads and making them pump that rock (except for Jay when he lost thost 92 bricks)

Youre making a wildly hilarious false equivalency

Youre right there are women who rise up to that challenge but those individuals are not very common.
:what: The % of working single moms is higher than ever, what are you talking about?


Perhaps we differ in what we perceive as feminism..i think perhaps you view them as what they used to be
Feminism hasn't changed bruh it is what it is. You just use the fringe examples of it to validate your negative preconceptions. What you are doing is like when racists use black criminals as indicative of the typical black person. Just cause you believe it doesn't mean it's true.

Unfortunately work calls so I will address the rest of your post when i return
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Well, feminism was borne out of pretty explicit + obvious gender inequality.

What causes do men need to fight for? How are women oppressing men?

Not to mention, literally every MRA dude I have ever encountered seems to have jumped into the fray due to some emotional stimulus. Reincar with his ex fiancee's abortion, Tommy Sotomayor with his jail time for child support, etc. It seems like every MRA dude has some event (which is often their fault) that kicks them into this "fukk women" deal.

Generally if a man accepts responsibility for his choices he will be straight. If a woman does she still faces inequality. Thats the difference.

Not to derail the thread and I agree with this post but........

:shaq2: nikka I know your not in here rallying against inequality for women. But when someone speaks on inequality with poor black people your stance is "they should try harder"

Shouldn't women just try harder? :mjpls:
 

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I always wondered why most men sold drugs and most women sold p*ssy or stripped. Then I realized it's a hustle, now I'm :yeshrug: I'm not going to completely fault people for choosing to do either even if I don't agree with the choice personally, they're acting from a position of lack in this case economic opportunities. It makes sense. Dudes can sit up here blaming thugs and drug dealers all they want, what are you providing for them that the streets can't?
 

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Not to derail the thread and I agree with this post but........

:shaq2: nikka I know your not in here rallying against inequality for women. But when someone speaks on inequality with poor black people your stance is "they should try harder"

Shouldn't women just try harder? :mjpls:

:beli: That's what you're doing.
 

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Not to derail the thread and I agree with this post but........

:shaq2: nikka I know your not in here rallying against inequality for women. But when someone speaks on inequality with poor black people your stance is "they should try harder"

Shouldn't women just try harder? :mjpls:
Where's the disconnect? I've always said systematic equality is a must. Where I disagree is that it is the biggest problem blocking black progress. The two situations are completely different. All the issues feminism seeks to or has addressed- women's suffrage, equal pay, sexual violence against women etc- you can draw a clear line to some outside force causing it. Thats nowhere near the case with many major black problems.
 

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Where's the disconnect? I've always said systematic equality is a must. Where I disagree is that it is the biggest problem blocking black progress. The two situations are completely different. All the issues feminism seeks to or has addressed- women's suffrage, equal pay, sexual violence against women etc- you can draw a clear line to some outside force causing it. Thats nowhere near the case with many major black problems.

:mindblown: what?

It's the same perpetrator. Old white men.

Equal pay, unfair prison sentences, unequal educational opportunity, unequal job opportunity, unequal financial opportunity.

It's all the same.

Women should be treated equally but poor black people should just work harder. Yeah i see why she thinks you're looney.
 

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Good ass article posted by twism

As Men Lose Economic Ground, Clues in the Family
By BINYAMIN APPELBAUM
WASHINGTON — The decline of two-parent households may be a significant reason for the divergent fortunes of male workers, whose earnings generally declined in recent decades, and female workers, whose earnings generally increased, a prominent labor economist argues in a new survey of existing research.

David H. Autor, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, says that the difference between men and women, at least in part, may have roots in childhood. Only 63 percent of children lived in a household with two parents in 2010, down from 82 percent in 1970. The single parents raising the rest of those children are predominantly female. And there is growing evidence that sons raised by single mothers “appear to fare particularly poorly,” Professor Autor wrote in an analysis for Third Way, a center-left policy research organization.

In this telling, the economic struggles of male workers are both a cause and an effect of the breakdown of traditional households. Men who are less successful are less attractive as partners, so women are choosing to raise children by themselves, producing sons who are less successful and attractive as partners.

“A vicious cycle may ensue,” wrote Professor Autor and his co-author, Melanie Wasserman, a graduate student, “with the poor economic prospects of less educated males creating differentially large disadvantages for their sons, thus potentially reinforcing the development of the gender gap in the next generation.”

The fall of men in the workplace is widely regarded by economists as one of the nation’s most important and puzzling trends. While men, on average, still earn more than women, the gap between them has narrowed considerably, particularly among more recent entrants to the labor force.

For all Americans, it has become much harder to make a living without a college degree, for intertwined reasons including foreign competition, advancements in technology and the decline of unions. Over the same period, the earnings of college graduates have increased. Women have responded exactly as economists would have predicted, by going to college in record numbers. Men, mysteriously, have not.

Among people who were 35 years old in 2010, for example, women were 17 percent more likely to have attended college, and 23 percent more likely to hold an undergraduate degree.

“I think the greatest, most astonishing fact that I am aware of in social science right now is that women have been able to hear the labor market screaming out ‘You need more education’ and have been able to respond to that, and men have not,” said Michael Greenstone, an M.I.T. economics professor who was not involved in Professor Autor’s work. “And it’s very, very scary for economists because people should be responding to price signals. And men are not. It’s a fact in need of an explanation.”

Most economists agree that men have suffered disproportionately from economic changes like the decline of manufacturing. But careful analyses have found that such changes explain only a small part of the shrinking wage gap.

One set of supplemental explanations holds that women are easier to educate or, as the journalist Hanna Rosin wrote in “The End of Men,” because women are more adaptable. Professor Autor writes that such explanations are plausible and “intriguing,” but as yet unproven.

He disagrees entirely with the view of the conservative analyst Charles Murray, in “Coming Apart,” that men have become “less industrious.”

“We’re pretty much in agreement on most of the facts,” Professor Autor said of Mr. Murray. “But he looks at the same facts and says this is all due to the failure of government programs, eroding the commitment to working. And we’re saying, what seems much more plausible here is that the working world just has less and less use for these folks.”

Professor Autor’s own explanation builds on existing research showing that income inequality has soared, stretching the gap between rich and poor, and that a smaller share of Americans are making the climb. The children of lower-income parents are ever more likely to become, in turn, the parents of lower-income children.

Moreover, a growing share of lower-income children are raised by their mother but not their father, and research shows that those children are at a particular disadvantage.

Professor Autor said in an interview that he was intrigued by evidence suggesting the consequences were larger for boys than girls, including one study finding that single mothers spent an hour less per week with their sons than their daughters. Another study of households where the father had less education, or was absent entirely, found the female children were 10 to 14 percent more likely to complete college. A third study of single-parent homes found boys were less likely than girls to enroll in college.

“It’s very clear that kids from single-parent households fare worse in terms of years of education,” he said. “The gender difference, the idea that boys do even worse again, is less clear cut. We’re pointing this out as an important hypothesis that needs further exploration. But there’s intriguing evidence in that direction.”

Conservatives have long argued that society should encourage stable parental relationships. Liberals have tended to argue that the government should focus instead on improving economic opportunities. Jonathan Cowan, the president of Third Way, said the paper underscored that addressing social problems was a means to improve economic opportunities.

“If Democrats have as their goal being the party of the middle class, they have to come to the realization that they’re not going to be able to get there solely through their standard explanations,” said Mr. Cowan, a veteran of the Clinton administration. “We need to ask, ‘How can we get these fathers back involved in their children’s lives?’ ”

But some experts cautioned that Professor Autor’s theory did not necessarily imply that such children would benefit from the presence of their fathers.

“Single-parent families tend to emerge in places where the men already are a mess,” said Christopher Jencks, a professor of social policy at Harvard University. “You have to ask yourself, ‘Suppose the available men were getting married to the available women? Would that be an improvement?’ ”

Instead of making marriage more attractive, he said, it might be better for society to help make men more attractive.

:whew: Black folks were the guinea pig, the rest will soon follow. I know I'm going to ruffle some feminist feathers but men need to be in the proper position as heads if you want to produce productive male off spring, but then again I don't care too much for traditionalism anyway. I'd rather the system collapse and we rebuild something that works to everyone's benefit.
 

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:mindblown: what?

It's the same perpetrator. Old white men.

Equal pay, unfair prison sentences, unequal educational opportunity, unequal job opportunity, unequal financial opportunity.

It's all the same.

Women should be treated equally but poor black people should just work harder. Yeah i see why she thinks you're looney.
"Workign harder" won't keep women from getting raped & blamed for it or paid $0.75 on the dollar. "Working harder" wouldn't have got us out of slavery or Civil Rights. Those are clear top down oppressive forces/structures that needed legal precedent to be rectified.

So explain how an old white man, and ONLY an old white man- not the family or community surrounding him- is responsible for the outcome of a teenage murderer on the south side of Chicago. Can you point out this old white man? Identify him by name? What law could you write that would solve all black people's problems?
 

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"Workign harder" won't keep women from getting raped & blamed for it or paid $0.75 on the dollar. "Working harder" wouldn't have got us out of slavery or Civil Rights.

So explain how an old white man, and ONLY an old white man- not the family or community surrounding him- is responsible for the outcome of a teenage murderer on the south side of Chicago. Can you point out this old white man? Identify him by name?

Working harder doesn't get black people paid more. Working harder doesn't stop police from planting drugs on young black boys, then giving them higher prison sentences.

Explain how an old white man is responsible for the outcome of a single mother in the hamptons. Can you point out this old white man? Identify him by name?

See how that works. You're only further showing your hypocrisy. Black folks get all the same oppression/inequality as women and then some, yet all you do is seek to point the finger at them for their problems. But on the flip side you blame the oppression/inequality for women's problems.
 
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