The term Black or African American & Nationality

[WaveGang]

So basically...Africans had African slaves.... African's continued to have African slaves... but some of the owners were under Arab rule - so the Africans who owned those slaves were forced to enslave Africans????

So none of the black tribal leaders who converted to Islam and then went on to conquer parts of Europe had control over their own motivations or ideas??... they were just sheep unable to think for themselves and only woke up and ate breakfast because Arabs told them to? That's crazy because even when CAC got together in France and other places to push back against these nikkas.... some of the white people didn't want to participate in the slaughter. I guess only Arabs and whites could think for themselves back in the day..


Anyway, I do agree that we shouldnt be running around calling ourselves moors.

I don't see where you are goin with the opening 2 parapgraphs, too much assumption. I just presented the facts, it's that simple.

Black tribal leaders didn'y conquer Iberia, the Arab empire conquered Iberia

If the Arabs had won the Battle of Tours, Islam would be the Religion of Europe

Battle of Tours - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

even if you wna argue that ''black tribal leaders'' had power, they weref fighting for Islam

 

[theworldismine13]

nikka please.

I'm joking- I don't use the urban terms around people who don't like it... but about calling yourself African Russian... in that situation you can't see how you remain a pointless powerless pet under Russian control in that position. The Jews got fukked over in Europe.. they could have stayed there after what happened. They didn't have a land... You can't be completely clueless as to why even with owning banks, even with having unity and economic power blacks... they decided that having 1 land and 1 place was the most important thing to fight for and continue to fight for. Sure they could not have Israel, but they would have been the step children of their 'nationality' lands. The oppression would have continued. They were smarter than that.. and that's why even those who live in the fake lands that stamps their passports... they still fund, support, and lobby for Israel as a group, for the most part.

We have separated from African culturally and geographically so I don't think we can just say African this and that. That word is even a CAC word. We need something more unifying.

you asked a hypothetical so i answered it

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

the most significant document when it come to identification in "International Law" is a passport, that is the main thing you need to understand, there isnt anything else that supersedes that

if we want to talk about forming our own nation of Moors that issues its own passports that is a legit topic, but its not legit to suggest that being a moor is a type of nationality or citizenship, that is pure BS, moors are not recognized internationally because there is no nation called moors, you cant be part of a nation that doesnt exist

the most significant document when it come to identification in "International Law" is a passport, that is the main thing you need to understand, there isnt anything else that supersedes that

if we want to talk about forming our own nation of Moors that issues its own passports that is a legit topic, but its not legit to suggest that being a moor is a type of nationality or citizenship, that is pure BS, moors are not recognized internationally because there is no nation called moors, you cant be part of a nation that doesnt exist

International Law in terms of being recognized universally as a Nation with ancestral ties to Africa.

Which means we need to come to a consensus on what Nation in Africa should represent us.

Also, I don't co-sign the theory of calling ourselfs 'Moors.

I do appreciate the Moorish Science Temples Teachings and Ideologies though.

 

[theworldismine13]

International Law in terms of being recognized universally as a Nation with ancestral ties to Africa.

Which means we need to come to a consensus on what Nation in Africa should represent us.

Also, I don't co-sign the theory of calling ourselfs 'Moors.

I do appreciate the Moorish Science Temples Teachings and Ideologies though.

I don't appreciate you referencing "International Law" like it's some great powerful mysterious force, your passport tells you what your nationality is under "International Law", it's that simple and it's that cut and dry

If you have a problem with what your american passport says, then I would agree that we would need to find a nation to represent us and give us a passport, good luck with that

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

I don't appreciate you referencing "International Law" like it's some great powerful mysterious force, your passport tells you what your nationality is under "International Law", it's that simple and it's that cut and dry

If you have a problem with what your american passport says, then I would agree that we would need to find a nation to represent us and give us a passport, good luck with that

Now we are on the same page.

If we can come together as a movement and step to the United Nations and say hey we want to claim 'Insert African Nation Here' as our Nationality. We are more than capable of doing that.

 

[theworldismine13]

Now we are on the same page.

If we can come together as a movement and step to the United Nations and say hey we want to claim 'Insert African Nation Here' as our Nationality. We are more than capable of doing that.

Why would you need the UN to do that? You can go to any country in africa right now and ask for citizenship, that has nothing to with the UN

 

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[GMOGMediaTV]

Why would you need the UN to do that? You can go to any country in africa right now and ask for citizenship, that has nothing to with the UN

I'm not asking for dual citizenship. I'm asking that the term 'American' be omitted and not be associated as a Nationality with people of African ancestry.

Stepping to the UN can enforce that policy so that it can be recognized domestically and internationally.

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

Just like usual a thread that was meant to be thought provoking and encouraging for brothers turns into a "who is the most historical, conscious, militant, pro African but also anti-African, c00n, black supremacist" circle jerk No progress, just ppl of color shyttin on each other about trivial shyt what a surprise

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm not asking for dual citizenship. I'm asking that the term 'American' be omitted and not be associated as a Nationality with people of African ancestry.

Stepping to the UN can enforce that policy so that it can be recognized domestically and internationally.

The UN is a puppet of the United States, I would think an expert on international law would know that, th UN is not going to enforce anything that the US doesnt want it to enforce and there is no example of the UN enforcing laws relating to citizenship or nationality

So it seems to me you don't really know anything about "International Law" I think you use that term to obfuscate your ignorance

Under international law your passport says what your nationality is, if you dont want to be American that is pretty simple to solve, you renounce your American citizenship and get citizenship in another country

None of this has anything to do with the UN, to renounce your citizenship all you have to do is go to the state dept and to ask for citizenship of an African country just go to the embassy of that country and request citizenship, the UN has nothin to do with the things you are suggesting

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

The UN is a puppet of the United States, I would think an expert on international law would know that, th UN is not going to enforce anything that the US doesnt want it to enforce and there is no example of the UN enforcing laws relating to citizenship or nationality

So it seems to me you don't really know anything about "International Law" I think you use that term to obfuscate your ignorance

Under international law your passport says what your nationality is, if you dont want to be American that is pretty simple to solve, you renounce your American citizenship and get citizenship in another country

None of this has anything to do with the UN, to renounce your citizenship all you have to do is go to the state dept and to ask for citizenship of an African country just go to the embassy of that country and request citizenship, the UN has nothin to do with the things you are suggesting

I'm done

Moving on...

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm done

Moving on...

ok before you go, can you give me an example of the UN enforcing laws concerning nationality and citizenship

and you keep referring to "International law' but you never reference the actual law that you are referring to, so before you go can you show what the actual wording of this law is concerning nationality that you are talking about

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Anyone claiming "Moor" but ain't from north africa...ain't a moor.

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

ok before you go, can you give me an example of the UN enforcing laws concerning nationality and citizenship

and you keep referring to "International law' but you never reference the actual law that you are referring to, so before you go can you show what the actual wording of this law is concerning nationality that you are talking about

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights via United Nations;

Article 15 states:

• (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
• (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Any Nation can change there nationality and present it to the United Nations.

However it is unprecedented that people of African Descent has ever done anything in a group level to change its Nationality.

Now i'm moving on....

 

[theworldismine13]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights via United Nations;

Article 15 states:

• (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
• (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Any Nation can change there nationality and present it to the United Nations.

However it is unprecedented that people of African Descent has ever done anything in a group level to change its Nationality.

Now i'm moving on....

That isn't International Law, that is just what it says, it's a "Declaration", and it has no enforcement mechanism

This Is a good example of ignorant people trying to lead, if you don't know the difference between "International Law" and a decleration you don't know what you are talking about

Secondly, you already have a nationality, it's in your passport, if you don't like that nationality you can renounce your citizenship and get nationality in another country, so even if it was international law your rights haven't been violated

And yes if black people wanted to change nationality as a group that is possible but again it would have nothing to do with the UN, that would have to do with the other country and there has been talk of offering citizenship or residency to the African diaspora, and that might be a good idea, but that is between the african diaspora and African countries