The Tariq Nasheed Thread

[Silky Johnson]

I grew up around Dyckman.

We're talking about creating hip hop. The music was black. The dancing was black. We created it. The Ricans came aboard later. They didn't create they joined in. If we didn't do it there would be no hip hop. No one is denying their presence but they don't get to claim it like that nor can Jamaicans.

Hip hop is black American culture.

Graf was by far the most integrated followed by b-boying. The music barely had a handful of Ricans.

This line is complete bullshyt. Red Alert, Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Afrika Bambaataa, and a whole leap of other DJ's and early forefathers by your definition would not be considered ADOS. That's why this entire FBA/ADOS/LMNOP vs the world stuff is nonsense. When it comes to Hip Hop it's simple...were you from NYC in the late 70's & 80's? Did you contribute? Do you have melanin?Yes? You have a claim. No? Gtfoh with your opinion because we don't care.

 

[truth2you]

Hmm...i wonder what cultural phenomenon happened in the early 80's that brought the jamaican, puerto rican and black kids together?


As for the underline...if you ever spent any time around Jamaican families, you know just how large a pile of bullshyt this is. Seriously.

Still playing ya self:

"The final and largest wave of immigration began in 1965 and continues to the present. This wave began after Britain restricted immigration in its former black Commonwealth colonies. The 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Reform Act changed the U.S. immigration policy and, inadvertently, opened the way for a surge in immigration from the Caribbean. In 1976, Jamaicans again relocated to the United States in large numbers after Congress increased immigration from the Western Hemisphere to a maximum of 20,000 persons per country. Although about 10,000 Jamaicans migrated to the United States legally from 1960 to 1965, the number skyrocketed in succeeding years—62,700 (1966-1970), 61,500 (1971-1975), 80,600 (1976-1980) and 81,700 (1981-1984)—to an aggregate of about 300,000 documented immigrants in just under a quarter of a century."

Read more: Jamaican Americans - History, Modern era, The first jamaicans in america

 

[Thurgood Thurston III]

lmfao cacs control the mainstream so not sure where you’re going with that. And Is Cardi B not a mainstream Latino? Fab and Jim Jones have Latino ancestry too while you can debate on whether they are mainstream or not?

I didn't say there were ZERO Latino rappers.

I questioned why there aren't MORE of them if they co-created hiphop. You named a handful of rappers.

And are you suggesting that cacs are blocking Latino rappers?

 

[Apollo Creed]

Cardi B is part Trinidadian although she reps her Dominican side more. Either way she is only ONE artist and a female artist at that. Fab and Jim been out the game for so long lol and those two hardly repped their Latin side I even heard some Dominicans complaining that Fab hardly reps Dominican years back. More importantly I can't think of ANY RECENT(i.e this decade) mainstream Latin American male rapper outside of 69(who is now locked up). I would argue since the 2010s and Southern Hip Hop becoming more dominate we have seen a significant decline in Latino Hip Hop artists. Cardi B and 69 are just TWO this past decade..... Maybe that can change? Who knows?

ehhh repping is one thing but folks seem to be arguing ethnic purity or something lol.

at the end of the day i dont think anyone in the real world cares enough to be looking up every rappers wiki to see where they or their parents were born. Either folks making good music or they dont, and even then all the infrastructure is owned by whites so everyone debating who started what is a loser at the end of the day


Its like debating who built a house that white folks own and others arent allowed to own.

 

[Silky Johnson]

Still playing ya self:

"The final and largest wave of immigration began in 1965 and continues to the present. This wave began after Britain restricted immigration in its former black Commonwealth colonies. The 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Reform Act changed the U.S. immigration policy and, inadvertently, opened the way for a surge in immigration from the Caribbean. In 1976, Jamaicans again relocated to the United States in large numbers after Congress increased immigration from the Western Hemisphere to a maximum of 20,000 persons per country. Although about 10,000 Jamaicans migrated to the United States legally from 1960 to 1965, the number skyrocketed in succeeding years—62,700 (1966-1970), 61,500 (1971-1975), 80,600 (1976-1980) and 81,700 (1981-1984)—to an aggregate of about 300,000 documented immigrants in just under a quarter of a century."

Read more: Jamaican Americans - History, Modern era, The first jamaicans in america

I guess all those people in my hood were pretending because your internet told you there werent any of them uptown until your wiki ariticle said so.

Seriously...wtf is the relevance of this copy and paste job? I'm telling you without any doubt there were more caribbeans and latinos in my hood than american blacks and you're telling me no...because? Mf you don't know and wasn't there.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I didn't say there were ZERO Latino rappers.

I questioned why there aren't MORE of them if they co-created hiphop. You named a handful of rappers.

And are you suggesting that cacs are blocking Latino rappers?

Nyc rappers are ass currently and it has nothing to do with who created what. It has to do with nobody wanting to hear that mess.

 

[The Fade]

What is stylistically Puerto Rican about hip hop? There’s no traces of anything latin in it.

2s and 4’s back beat shyt all the way through

It’s heavily funk based

 

[truth2you]

This line is complete bullshyt. Red Alert, Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Afrika Bambaataa, and a whole leap of other DJ's and early forefathers by your definition would not be considered ADOS. That's why this entire FBA/ADOS/LMNOP vs the world stuff is nonsense. When it comes to Hip Hop it's simple...were you from NYC in the late 70's & 80's? Did you contribute? Do you have melanin?Yes? You have a claim. No? Gtfoh with your opinion because we don't care.

My man, it's called assimilation, they just did what was happening around them already, they didn't create it. If we go by your logic all of the islands would have been doing rap before the Americans, but where is the proof?

Jamaica is not Bahamas, and Bahamas isn't Barbados. You just bunched them all together, when in reality those people came up in ADOS culture not those different islands. Keep playing ya self

 

[Bawon Samedi]

ehhh repping is one thing but folks seem to be arguing ethnic purity or something lol.

at the end of the day i dont think anyone in the real world cares enough to be looking up every rappers wiki to see where they or their parents were born. Either folks making good music or they dont, and even then all the infrastructure is owned by whites so everyone debating who started what is a loser at the end of the day


Its like debating who built a house that white folks own and others arent allowed to own.

But..... No one was arguing who owned the business infrastructure of Hip Hop/Rap. The original poster questioned why there are so many few Latino artists today and he is correct. Back in the 2000s there were MUCH more Latino artists.

 

[Supper]

Did he do it in the parks of NYC with turntables and a microphone


The architects of hip hop have explicitly said where they got their influence from, cry about it

Right, and Kool Herc himself said there was nothing Jamaican influenced in his performances, yet you're trying to link it to Jamaican Dub music.

Well, Dj Pete Jones, Disco King Mario, and DJ Flowers all came before Herc and are AADOS of southern background, so it makes a lot more sense to link the practice to the Afr'Am tradition started in the soul era that came BEFORE Jamaican Dub.

 

[truth2you]

People got it from the artist themselves. That's been said numerous times in here already, iirc I heard Kool Herc say it on Combat Jack or something similar
DO THE RESEARCH like you telling ppl to do



Did he do it in the parks of NYC with turntables and a microphone


According to yall reaching ass logic, hip hop wasn't created in the 70s in NYC like pretty much anyone will tell you
According to yall it was created by James Brown in some random midwest cac owned recording studio

The architects of hip hop have explicitly said where they got their influence from, cry about it

Show me because in that interview.herc said it was AMERICAN sound systems that influenced him not Jamaican

 

[desjardins]

I guess all those people in my hood were pretending because your internet told you there werent any of them uptown until your wiki ariticle said so.

Yea i'm not even sure what point ppl are trying to make by saying it wasn't that many Jamaicans here or kool herc came at 12 yrs old
If you know anything about 1st generation immigrant families you know the culture is upheld in the household and if possible they spend ALOT of time around other members of their culture. Doesn't matter if Kool Herc came here at 3 months old, his upbringing was going be JAMAICAN and influenced by everything his parents did. Same way I was influenced by 70s artists my parents liked. shyt ain't rocket science. He still has an accent in the video I posted and talked about trying to hide the fact he was so jamaican when he started DJ'ing

 

[Bawon Samedi]

What is stylistically Puerto Rican about hip hop? There’s no traces of anything latin in it.

2s and 4’s back beat shyt

Not only that Puerto Ricans are some of the biggest biters in the diaspora word to @Supper. They bit Salsa from Cubans and reggaeton from Panamanians to the point that many people don't know the genre came from Afro-Panamanians(which makes sense due to their close connections with Jamaicans).

And yea there is no Latin trace in Hip Hop unlike with reggaeton.

 

[truth2you]

I guess all those people in my hood were pretending because your internet told you there werent any of them uptown until your wiki ariticle said so.

Seriously...wtf is the relevance of this copy and paste job? I'm telling you without any doubt there were more caribbeans and latinos in my hood than american blacks and you're telling me no...because? Mf you don't know and wasn't there.

In the 80's, learn how to read, that is when the came here in large numbers. Rap was already big by then in NYC

 

[desjardins]

Right, and Kool Herc himself said there was nothing Jamaican influenced in his performances, yet you're trying to link it to Jamaican Dub music.

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Time stamped to the part where Kool Herc says what he did


I'm done with this thread, I believe Kool Herc personally, yall can believe what you want