The Tariq Nasheed Thread

[Counter Racist Male]

Culture isn't created in a vacuum.

No one who was rapping was listening to anything from the 1800's so it's always been absurd to me when people try to bring indirect influences into the conversation.

Rakim said he learned from Mel and Caz not the Last Poets. I know plenty of the Last Poets work by heart and they weren't rapping. It's like people can't accept that poor kids with no resources created their own artform because it seems to happen with hip hop more than anything.

You missing what I'm saying. I'm saying that it has always been a tradition of toasting. In Black American culture. Toasting Is very very similar to rapping. A lot of older Black people are very familiar with the signifying monkey and some of the other toast I talked about in my last post. It is really easy to see the progression from those toast and rapping.

 

[Supa]

You missing what I'm saying. I'm saying that it has always been a tradition of toasting. In Black American culture. Toasting Is very very similar to rapping. A lot of older Black people are very familiar with the signifying monkey and some of the other toast I talked about in my last post. It is really easy to see the progression from those toast and rapping.

I know that's why I said culture isn't a vacuum. The same things are going to repeat over generations to some degree because it's practically in our DNA. It just seems like people always do that with rap. I'm giving credit to the actual rappers and people who were there. It's disrespectful to guys like Melle Mel and Caz to bring up some black and white footage from long ago of someone "rapping." No one on the block heard of that shyt.

 

[truth2you]

@Silky Johnson @desjardins
Kool herc says here it wasn't cool to be a Jamaican when he first came.to the states, and he had to get americanized, to the point Jamaicans didn't believe he was Jamaican so how did hip hop be created from all these cultures being combined like you claim?

I'm on my phone, and can't timestamp on youtube, so just go to 12:00

 

[O.G.B]

Argue and fight each other about who started something that the Jews currently own brehs

Be quiet spic and stay out of conversations pertaining to black culture!

 

[ThrobbingHood]

Tariq sitting back and laughing thinking:

 

[Black Lightning]

And the bullshyt begins

im so tired of this. I think yall are intentionally ignoring the history of NYC at the time. Bambatta started claiming west indian in the 80's once more west indians started coming here, he is off in the head. His ass is from the Bronx. He got his start from disco king Mario who was from north Carolina, but moved to Bronxdale, and was part of the blackspades gang.

That is how bambatta got onto djing, it ain't NOTHING to do with the caribbean. The same for kool herc, but he had some money to buy his own set after he did his first parties with a house system

I wish y'all would actually go learn hip hop history, and stop trying spread your personal agendas

The video I posted gave all the credit to Black Americans.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Actually, all are important. Our culture and our claim for reparations and ethnic identity.

We see what happens when we let others claim and tell our stories. They include themselves and downplay us in every way possible.

If you don't lay the claim - then you can't fight those you are asking us to fight. They will say it aint ours to claim or have.

until you own it, there is no lay to claim. otherwise your simply swinging at air, which is what many in these social media organizations have been relegated to doing. you actually play right into the plot that keeps the owners the owners, as long as your fighting each other, your not fighting them.

"they include themselves and down play us" is simply conjecture and presumption. its a sweeping generalization based on small sample sized examples that has never demonstrated the sentiments of the whole. its literally the same tactics that were employed by white supremacist that they utilized to tear down black towns and black blocks. and now we are doing it to ourselves for far less the expense. its literally not benefiting us at all and as far as whats damaging us the system that produces the mis-education continues to run uninterrupted hurting our culture and influencing our youth to negativity while those of us who need to be fighting that are wasting time worrying about who playing harriet tubman or what is going on with bob loves abishola.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

America is a sick country man

@Silky Johnson @desjardins
Kool herc says here it wasn't cool to be a Jamaican when he first came.to the states, and he had to get americanized, to the point Jamaicans didn't believe he was Jamaican so how did hip hop be created from all these cultures being combined like you claim?

I'm on my phone, and can't timestamp on youtube, so just go to 12:00

 

[truth2you]

America is a sick country man

That was a time when nyc was full of gangs, and the Bronx was dangerous, as well as racists, it's just how shyt was. If you proved you wasn't soft, you got love. If kool herc was somewhere else in the states, it probably would have been different for him. NYC stayed that way until the mid 90's.

The only difference was as more black immigrants came, Jamaicans started picking on them too. People from the islands weren't unified like they are today, they beefed with each other, but Haitians got shytted on by all of them, it wasn't until the mid 90s that Haitians stopped that shyt. The fugees helped big time, by helping them have pride, and nothing to be ashamed of. I loved it when they would rep Haitian proudly, in the 80's a lot would claim they were from Jamaica or Trinidad.

 

[Supper]

That was a time when nyc was full of gangs, and the Bronx was dangerous, as well as racists, it's just how shyt was. If you proved you wasn't soft, you got love. If kool herc was somewhere else in the states, it probably would have been different for him. NYC stayed that way until the mid 90's.

The only difference was as more black immigrants came, Jamaicans started picking on them too. People from the islands weren't unified like they are today, they beefed with each other, but Haitians got shytted on by all of them, it wasn't until the mid 90s that Haitians stopped that shyt. The fugees helped big time, by helping them have pride, and nothing to be ashamed of. I loved it when they would rep Haitian proudly, in the 80's a lot would claim they were from Jamaica or Trinidad.

Bro, it's the same thing with Latinos. Especially Mexicans.

Central Americans immigrants catch hell from Mexicans in Mexico and from Chicanos in the states.

Ms-13 & 18th street n shyt was formed in LA for the specific purpose of Central Americans fighting back against Chicano gangs who were targeting them. Before than many Cen Ams tried to claim Mexican(or Chicano) and adopt mexican accents in spanish when they immigrated to heavily Mexican areas.

Again we're talking about people who are the same racially(Cen Ams are a bit darker on average), speak the same language, practice the same sect of the same religion, have very similar cultures, have bordering nations, and are all of immigrant background. Yet mexicans STILL get on their high horses, look down on them, and treat them like shyt.

These tensions reach all the way to academia even today.
No, You Aren’t Entitled To The Chicano Experience

 

[Counter Racist Male]

I know that's why I said culture isn't a vacuum. The same things are going to repeat over generations to some degree because it's practically in our DNA. It just seems like people always do that with rap. I'm giving credit to the actual rappers and people who were there. It's disrespectful to guys like Melle Mel and Caz to bring up some black and white footage from long ago of someone "rapping." No one on the block heard of that shyt.

Its not disrespectful. Melle Mel is paying homage to hustlers convention right here.

 

[xoxodede]

until you own it, there is no lay to claim. otherwise your simply swinging at air, which is what many in these social media organizations have been relegated to doing. you actually play right into the plot that keeps the owners the owners, as long as your fighting each other, your not fighting them.

"they include themselves and down play us" is simply conjecture and presumption. its a sweeping generalization based on small sample sized examples that has never demonstrated the sentiments of the whole. its literally the same tactics that were employed by white supremacist that they utilized to tear down black towns and black blocks. and now we are doing it to ourselves for far less the expense. its literally not benefiting us at all and as far as whats damaging us the system that produces the mis-education continues to run uninterrupted hurting our culture and influencing our youth to negativity while those of us who need to be fighting that are wasting time worrying about who playing harriet tubman or what is going on with bob loves abishola.

I don't agree. But, I don't expect you to understand nor care.

Thanks!

 

[Counter Racist Male]

That was a time when nyc was full of gangs, and the Bronx was dangerous, as well as racists, it's just how shyt was. If you proved you wasn't soft, you got love. If kool herc was somewhere else in the states, it probably would have been different for him. NYC stayed that way until the mid 90's.

The only difference was as more black immigrants came, Jamaicans started picking on them too. People from the islands weren't unified like they are today, they beefed with each other, but Haitians got shytted on by all of them, it wasn't until the mid 90s that Haitians stopped that shyt. The fugees helped big time, by helping them have pride, and nothing to be ashamed of. I loved it when they would rep Haitian proudly, in the 80's a lot would claim they were from Jamaica or Trinidad.

It was a lot more black Americans in NY in the 70s.

The Bronx was more Black American and Puerto rican than it is today.

 

[truth2you]

It was a lot more black Americans in NY in the 70s.

The Bronx was more Black American and Puerto rican than it is today.

Maybe I didn't explain myself right. I was trying to say Jamaicans were shytting on other immigrants in the 80s, after black Americans were shytting on them in the 70'S. Most black immigrants came here in the mid 70's to early 80's

NYC was about being tough, it was probably different somewhere else. I heard dc wasn't as tough like NYC was, on new immigrants

 

[No Sleep]

Has this dude spoke on what Snoop Dogg did?