The Tariq Nasheed Thread

[truth2you]

Yea i'm not even sure what point ppl are trying to make by saying it wasn't that many Jamaicans here or kool herc came at 12 yrs old
If you know anything about 1st generation immigrant families you know the culture is upheld in the household and if possible they spend ALOT of time around other members of their culture. Doesn't matter if Kool Herc came here at 3 months old, his upbringing was going be JAMAICAN and influenced by everything his parents did. Same way I was influenced by 70s artists my parents liked. shyt ain't rocket science. He still has an accent in the video I posted and talked about trying to hide the fact he was so jamaican when he started DJ'ing

So prove it. You keep coming upnwith theories but nothing of facts.

Kool.herc said it himself, and those stats came from the federal government, but they are lying too, right?

Ya are some sad people. Why can't you accept the truth instead.l of rewriting history, what is wrong with yall? Jamaicans didn't even use two turntables, they used one because they were emulating radio djs. American djs used two turntables, and that was j heard of at the time, it came out of early disco djs

I show facts. Listen starting at 20 minutes in to hear herc explain his first set of equipment, ain't had nothing to do with Jamaica

 

[Supper]

Time stamped to the part where Kool Herc says what he did


I'm done with this thread, I believe Kool Herc personally, yall can believe what you want

Even in this interview he says that he had to use "american rhythms", and not "jamaican rhythms".

Herc more clearly clarifies things in these later interviews.

https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2018/01/kool-herc-interview

Prophets of the Hood

 

[desjardins]

Even in this interview he says that he had to use "american rhythms", and not "jamaican rhythms".

Herc more clearly clarifies things in these later interviews.

https://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2018/01/kool-herc-interview

Prophets of the Hood

No one is claiming reggae and hip hop are the same thing
We talking about INFLUENCE. From the equipment to the way the parties were thrown to what he did with the AMERICAN records (looping and talking over them)
This is like talking to a brick wall (I'm done foreal this time cause this pointless)

 

[truth2you]

Time stamped to the part where Kool Herc says what he did


I'm done with this thread, I believe Kool Herc personally, yall can believe what you want

You heard what you wanted to hear. He said he wanted to mix West Indian music with American music when he was djing because that is what the people wanted to hear, nothing about it coming from jamaica.

Then he said he was listening to ska, and that was u-roy, who he was talking about standing next to him, nothing about bringing hip hop coming from West indans. try again, but you won't find anything because.it.never happened

 

[Counter Racist Male]

Many Puerto Ricans online as of recently.

You got to be joking right?

 

[Supa]

This line is complete bullshyt. Red Alert, Herc, Grandmaster Flash, Afrika Bambaataa, and a whole leap of other DJ's and early forefathers by your definition would not be considered ADOS. That's why this entire FBA/ADOS/LMNOP vs the world stuff is nonsense. When it comes to Hip Hop it's simple...were you from NYC in the late 70's & 80's? Did you contribute? Do you have melanin?Yes? You have a claim. No? Gtfoh with your opinion because we don't care.

Yes

I've never been on that ADOS/FBA stuff so wtf are you taking about? I don't even agree with Tariq using examples of people "rapping" in the 40's or 20's.

If you're discussing culture and you want to use general terms that's one thing but hip hop is a specific sub culture. I don't want to hear about griots in Africa. We're taking about Melle Mel, Caz, Moe Dee, Rakim, etc. Rapping is a specific artform so let's be specific about it's origin.

Hip Hop is black American culture because it was started by black people in New York. Stop with this all encompassing nonsense. You wanna throw the UK in the pot too since Slick Rick was from there? Herc wasn't spinning reggae he played breaks because he was in an environment where he was surrounded by black Americans.

Again, we're stating that we created this and you're talking about anyone could participate. That's not point. Read the thread title. The issue is who created it. I grew up around nothing but Hispanics and they were not saying they created hip hop back then. They knew it was black.

 

[CoryMack]

Tariq out here doing the Lord’s Work.

 

[truth2you]

No one is claiming reggae and hip hop are the same thing
We talking about INFLUENCE. From the equipment to the way the parties were thrown to what he did with the AMERICAN records (looping and talking over them)
This is like talking to a brick wall (I'm done foreal this time cause this pointless)

Now you are talking my shyt, I djed since I was around 10, and hung around West Indian djs also, so let me know what equipment came from Jamaica?

And what loops were they doing if the music had no breakbeats in them? Explain to me how they did loops on one turntable?

 

[truth2you]

@desjardins
You do know you are basically saying kool herc is lying about how he came up with his."merry go round" technique if you claim he got it from Jamaica, right? Y'all nikka are sad

Pay attention to what the narrator says about the use of two turntables, nothing about Jamaica!

 

[Counter Racist Male]

Yes

I've never been on that ADOS/FBA stuff so wtf are you taking about? I don't even agree with Tariq using examples of people "rapping" in the 40's or 20's.

If you're discussing culture and you want to use general terms that's one thing but hip hop is a specific sub culture. I don't want to hear about griots in Africa. We're taking about Melle Mel, Caz, Moe Dee, Rakim, etc. Rapping is a specific artform so let's be specific about it's origin.

Hip Hop is black American culture because it was started by black people in New York. Stop with this all encompassing nonsense. You wanna throw the UK in the pot too since Slick Rick was from there? Herc wasn't spinning reggae he played breaks because he was in an environment where he was surrounded by black Americans.

Again, we're stating that we created this and you're talking about anyone could participate. That's not point. Read the thread title. The issue is who created it. I grew up around nothing but Hispanics and they were not saying they created hip hop back then. They knew it was black.

I just want to make this clear and this is not aimed at anybody in particular. If you go back and listen to Coke La Rock He talks about the hustlers convention Which was a concept album. By the last poets and Kool & the Gang as the inspiration for early Hip Hop.


The style of rhyming that you hear on the hustlers convention album is called hosting and that goes back. All the way to the end of the 1800s. Toast where something that many black Americans were very familiar with way before the concept of Hip Hop even came together.

 

[truth2you]

I just want to make this clear and this is not aimed at anybody in particular. If you go back and listen to Coke La Rock He talks about the hustlers convention Which was a concept album. By the last poets and Kool & the Gang as the inspiration for early Hip Hop.


The style of rhyming that you hear on the hustlers convention album is called hosting and that goes back. All the way to the end of the 1800s. Toast where something that many black Americans were very familiar with way before the concept of Hip Hop even came together.

That album influenced the first rappers, they all said it. These guys in here saying other shyt is just saying how they wish it were

 

[Counter Racist Male]

That album influenced the first rappers, they all said it. These guys in here saying other shyt is just saying how they wish it were

Yeah, the thing is that that album was Influence by toast that have been around For decades like the signifying monkey, stagolee , the shine and the Titanic , the pool playing monkey , Pimping Sam and Duella du Fontaine.

I've heard people try to say that toasting was something I started in Jamaica when toasting was something that black Americans have been doing since they left slavery.

 

[Supa]

I just want to make this clear and this is not aimed at anybody in particular. If you go back and listen to Coke La Rock He talks about the hustlers convention Which was a concept album. By the last poets and Kool & the Gang as the inspiration for early Hip Hop.


The style of rhyming that you hear on the hustlers convention album is called hosting and that goes back. All the way to the end of the 1800s. Toast where something that many black Americans were very familiar with way before the concept of Hip Hop even came together.

Culture isn't created in a vacuum.

No one who was rapping was listening to anything from the 1800's so it's always been absurd to me when people try to bring indirect influences into the conversation.

Rakim said he learned from Mel and Caz not the Last Poets. I know plenty of the Last Poets work by heart and they weren't rapping. It's like people can't accept that poor kids with no resources created their own artform because it seems to happen with hip hop more than anything.

 

[truth2you]

@Silky Johnson I found where krs-one said no one doing hip hop was aware of the dancehall stuff, so how was hip hop influences.by Jamaica, let alone other Caribbean countries, yet no one is aware of dancehall music?

You played ya self in this whole thread. Same with yo @desjardins

Go to 1:15:00

 

[Supper]

Yeah, the thing is that that album was Influence by toast that have been around For decades like the signifying monkey, stagolee , the shine and the Titanic , the pool playing monkey , Pimping Sam and Duella du Fontaine.

I've heard people try to say that toasting was something I started in Jamaica when toasting was something that black Americans have been doing since they left slavery.

Count Matchuki brought "toasting" to jamaica by imitating AA jive talking djs from like Philly's Jocko Henderson at Coxsone Dodd's request.

He added talkovers to the songs, emulating the jive talk of American radio DJ's at the request of Dodd, who became familiar with the US style on his visits to the States to buy records to play on his sound system.[2] He thus originated a deejay style that was later developed by artists such as U-Roy,

Count Matchuki - Wikipedia
Jive Talking and Toasting part two - Foundation SKA

Coxsone Dodd was the one who brought the AA sound systems he encountered in the US south back to Jamaica which laid the foundation for the "dee jay" in Jamaica.

The Kingston-born Dodd used to play records to the customers in his parents' shop. During a spell in the American South he became familiar with the rhythm and blues music popular there at the time. In 1954, back in Jamaica, he set up the Downbeat Sound System, being the owner of an amplifier, a turntable, and some US records, which he would import from New Orleans and Miami.

With the success of his sound system, and in a competitive environment, Dodd would make trips through the US looking for new tunes to attract the Jamaican public.

Coxsone Dodd - Wikipedia