The Tariq Nasheed Thread

[TV]

This translates to, "I agree with conservatives but I'm not a c00n." He trying to straddle the fence.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Does anybody really know what conservatives and liberals really mean

 

[Firefly]

Weird that this thread got bumped but I'll just say this. There's a big difference between Black conservatism and White conservatism in the American context.

Black Christians and elders who rail against certain social issues and causes don't really seek to strip them of their rights and freedom whereas White social conservatives do. White conservativism is more than about social issues. It's about protecting the status quo, White fragility, bootstrap philosophy, and being reactionary towards anyone perceived as a threat to the power structure.

To separate conservatism from race is something that can only be done in a homogenous country with little to no racial dynamics at play. But, in America, it's very hard to separate the 2. Conservatives in the 1860's were arguing that Black people were better off as slaves than being emancipated. Conservatives in the 1960's were arguing that Black people were better off in Jim Crow than having equal rights. And the list goes on. Conservatives eventually being against those things was a case of Liberals at that time influencing their opinions and changing the status quo rather than Conservatism itself evolving. Conservatism by definition is stubborn and prefers to keep the status quo or White America comfortable. The real trailblazers for Black America and others were the Liberals. Hell, MLK was slandered as a radical Marxist and Communist by the Right Wingers of his heyday despite having so-called "socially conservative" attributes to him such as being a preacher.

I'm not even talking about Democrats vs. Republicans here. I'm just saying, in general, socially liberal people were at the forefront of Black rights, worker's rights, women's rights, etc. and, if those people fell back and left things in the hands of conservatives, very little progress would be made.

Tariq probably thinks that being against Trans in bathrooms automatically makes him socially conservatitve but I would argue that it makes him more of a moderate. Supporting reparations as a movement literally contradicts the conservative mindset of pulling up your bootstraps because you're literally demanding that the government compensate you for past labor which conservatives consider to be Socialism or even Communism.

I could go on but, overall, social conservatism doesn't mean much for Black people in a multicultural country like the USA where White America's branch of conservatism is(and has always been) different from ours.

Plus, as I mentioned in another thread, getting married, going to church, not drinking/doing drugs, and having a sense of morality doesn't automatically make you socially conservative. There's plenty of socially liberal people who do those things. In fact, it's the norm for liberal minded people.

Black people trying to side up to and gain acceptance from people who are patently against black people having civil rights is always going to be amazing brehs. Like they want nothing other than to be comfortable being viewed less than and beneath the most timid people here. I mean you can tell who actually reads and who doesn't. The Dixie Democrats fled the party in the late 60's and became Republicans over the Civil Rights act. The Baptist Church split over the Civil Rights act. They don't like voting rights, civil rights or basic human rights for black people.

They will indeed pay a few crumbs to a few and have them use the back entrance or come through the kitchen to speak at events and negroes are cool with it because $.

 

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You can’t separate the racism from conservatism. I wanna know what part of the brain lights up in people’s heads when they see conservatives actively doing the utmost to attack every single civil rights law in the U.S.?

 

[At30wecashout]

You can’t separate the racism from conservatism. I wanna know what part of the brain lights up in people’s heads when they see conservatives actively doing the utmost to attack every single civil rights law in the U.S.?

They generally sidestep the subject or find a way to blame Democrats. Hell, I have even seen some people say something to the effect of this teaching Black people to be self-sufficient or that this isn’t a big deal because that’s what conservatives are supposed to do, followed up with “what are the Democrats gonna do” to fix it.

There are lapdops who genuinely dislike the left for oddball reasons and pretty mich welcome the white supremacist march. Get to quoting Malcolm X and shyt. Dont get me started on how often these conversations get dumbed down to not liking LGBTQ people.

 

[Dameon Farrow]

Does anybody really know what conservatives and liberals really mean

Good old semantics has entered the chat.

Today? Right now? Conservative = fascist. Liberal = not fascist. If you know history you know that's all that matters right this minute. Fascism doesn't work for minorities. Never has. Never will. Straddling the fence won't save anybody, either.

 

[Gritsngravy]

Good old semantics has entered the chat.

Today? Right now? Conservative = fascist. Liberal = not fascist. If you know history you know that's all that matters right this minute. Fascism doesn't work for minorities. Never has. Never will. Straddling the fence won't save anybody, either.

Is that really true in terms of America, I think other words need to be used to describe political parties in America cause conservative and liberal does not really explain the politics

And now people get into meaningless back and forths based on “conservative” and “liberal”

 

[winb83]

Does anybody really know what conservatives and liberals really mean

When I hear the phrase conservative I think of more wealthier people who like "traditional" values and things that favor them over benefiting the poor. "Small government" except when it's something they feel strongly about. Reduce the social safety net because they don't need it anyway and let the poor and working class fend for themselves.

These are people who can't see past the way they think things should be and accept that others out there desire a different life then them. Me personally I don't necessary agree with homosexuality but I can be in the presence of a person that's homosexual and accept that's their life and if they find that to be desirable that's fine. They're presence and existence doesn't offend me. To me conservatives are offended by a homosexual person's existence and if they are to continue existing they want to do everything possible to oppress them.

Conservatives only want the world to be a single way and have a hard time seeing past their own viewpoint.

 

[Frump]

They generally sidestep the subject or find a way to blame Democrats. Hell, I have even seen some people say something to the effect of this teaching Black people to be self-sufficient or that this isn’t a big deal because that’s what conservatives are supposed to do, followed up with “what are the Democrats gonna do” to fix it.

There are lapdops who genuinely dislike the left for oddball reasons and pretty mich welcome the white supremacist march. Get to quoting Malcolm X and shyt. Dont get me started on how often these conversations get dumbed down to not liking LGBTQ people.

Yeah the hatred for gay or trans people to the level you’re willing to side with people who want to see you dead is extremely bizarre to me

Gay and trans people have zero effect on your life.

It’s like some dudes are so insecure about their manhood and being masculine that they think they hating gay and trans people proves their masculinity

 

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They generally sidestep the subject or find a way to blame Democrats. Hell, I have even seen some people say something to the effect of this teaching Black people to be self-sufficient or that this isn’t a big deal because that’s what conservatives are supposed to do, followed up with “what are the Democrats gonna do” to fix it.

There are lapdops who genuinely dislike the left for oddball reasons and pretty mich welcome the white supremacist march. Get to quoting Malcolm X and shyt. Dont get me started on how often these conversations get dumbed down to not liking LGBTQ people.

But their policies have negatively impacted nearly every facet of life for any supporter not making well over six figures…by design.

 

[DatBoiHawk]

When I hear the phrase conservative I think of more wealthier people who like "traditional" values and things that favor them over benefiting the poor. "Small government" except when it's something they feel strongly about. Reduce the social safety net because they don't need it anyway and let the poor and working class fend for themselves.

These are people who can't see past the way they think things should be and accept that others out there desire a different life then them. Me personally I don't necessary agree with homosexuality but I can be in the presence of a person that's homosexual and accept that's their life and if they find that to be desirable that's fine. They're presence and existence doesn't offend me. To me conservatives are offended by a homosexual person's existence and if they are to continue existing they want to do everything possible to oppress them.

Conservatives only want the world to be a single way and have a hard time seeing past their own viewpoint.

Yes, they are the biggest “haters” of everything. Their whole ideology is some playa hating shyt and I can’t stand motherfukkers like that all up in everybody damn business! “don’t smoke weed if you don’t wanna go to prison” “you shouldn’t have gone to college if you want your loans forgiven” “electric cars are too woke fukk dodge for making an electric RAM” now they’re mad at bud light smh just nothing but complaining I hate them

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Actual black conservatives would shock white conservatives cause they do NOT fukk with white conservatives

 

[winb83]

Actual black conservatives would shock white conservatives cause they do NOT fukk with white conservatives

So these black conservatives vote democrat? A core tenant of conservatism is wanting everyone one else to live in a way you approve of and enforcing your values on others. It’s likely coming from a religious place.

 

[Will Ross]

So these black conservatives vote democrat? A core tenant of conservatism is wanting everyone one else to live in a way you approve of and enforcing your values on others. It’s likely coming from a religious place.

conservatives want to keep the values that are already in place.
While liberals tend to want to change things.

 

[Don Mack]

I’m conservative. Don’t care for either political party though. I want illegal immigrants gone no matter what color they are and I don’t support the LGBT agenda or long term welfare/section 8 freeloaders.