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[Julius Skrrvin]

Didn't see a good thread, but how do you PC brehs feel about Mantle @daze23 @Liquid @Kodie @Malta

 

[daze23]

Didn't see a good thread, but how do you PC brehs feel about Mantle @daze23 @Liquid @Kodie @Malta

posted my thoughts in the PC thread:

we'll have to see how the Mantle stuff works out, but it's definitely already a controversial subject. older PC gamers remember 3dfx's Glide API and all the fragmentation it caused. and how DX was seen as a good thing coming out of that, since everyone could use it

plus it seems they are going in a different direction from Valve and Nvidia. AMD hinted at a Linux announcement, but really didn't deliver (I think they said something about "cross platform", but nothing really specific). and people worry about the further fragmentation that could cause

things in the PC gaming universe have been pretty simple for a minute. the most someone had to worry about was the minimum specs, and maybe if they could use stuff like Physx. but things look like they're gonna get a little more complicated...

this as well

AnandTech has a good write-up on Mantle

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7371/understanding-amds-mantle-a-lowlevel-graphics-api-for-gcn

kinda early, and we'll have to wait and see. shyt is very interesting though

 

[Liquid]

the first thing that comes to mind about Mantle is, what is Microsoft going to hold on to? Them bypassing dx and having BF4 already on board from the jump is nuts

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

the first thing that comes to mind about Mantle is, what is Microsoft going to hold on to? Them bypassing dx and having BF4 already on board from the jump is nuts

That's what I'm saying. I think smaller devs/indies without abstraction layers in their engines will stick with OpenGL, the bigger/more complex ones will go with Mantle, and then what will be the fukking point of DirectX, besides backwards compatibility?

 

[Liquid]

That's what I'm saying. I think smaller devs/indies without abstraction layers in their engines will stick with OpenGL, the bigger/more complex ones will go with Mantle, and then what will be the fukking point of DirectX, besides backwards compatibility?

Microsoft has the biggest install base and that is what they will be holding on to for the foreseeable future. Something tells me that Valve is sweetening the pot in the background and pointing to how Windows going forward can be a nightmare if everything must be not only go through DX, but on their marketplace as well. That can mean doom for the smaller people when its being told how to operate by a company that has a 90% market share.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Microsoft has the biggest install base and that is what they will be holding on to for the foreseeable future. Something tells me that Valve is sweetening the pot in the background and pointing to how Windows going forward can be a nightmare if everything must be not only go through DX, but on their marketplace as well. That can mean doom for the smaller people when its being told how to operate by a company that has a 90% market share.

I'm confused though. It's not like Mantle and OpenGL can't run on Win7 and 8, why is install base relevant here?

 

[daze23]

the first thing that comes to mind about Mantle is, what is Microsoft going to hold on to? Them bypassing dx and having BF4 already on board from the jump is nuts

it was funny cause they were talking about how they worked with microsoft to get the features they needed in dx11.1/2, but then... fukk all that, we going Mantle

I don't know the politics of it, but I can imagine M$ being salty about that

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

it was funny cause they were talking about how they worked with microsoft to get the features they needed in dx11.1/2, but then... fukk all that, we going Mantle

I don't know the politics of it, but I can imagine M$ being salty about that

they can probably smell the way things are gonna go on consoles

prolly never forgave them for being lax as shyt with PC gaming since the Xbox dropped

 

[Rekkapryde]

it was funny cause they were talking about how they worked with microsoft to get the features they needed in dx11.1/2, but then... fukk all that, we going Mantle

I don't know the politics of it, but I can imagine M$ being salty about that

Another reason why Ballmer needs the

 

[Liquid]

I'm confused though. It's not like Mantle and OpenGL can't run on Win7 and 8, why is install base relevant here?

just that it throws a loop into microsofts strategy.

their entire strategy appears to be tying everything together. RT and WP8 only support DirectX as well as "Metro Apps" on the desktop from what I remember. That obviously causes a problem for valve, thus we now have SteamOS

 

[Kodie]

Didn't see a good thread, but how do you PC brehs feel about Mantle @daze23 @Liquid @Kodie @Malta

I didn't read the whole article so I'm a little confused as to what it actually is. The best summary I've seen is that it's a low-level API that brings console levels of performance to PC. If this is true, then that sounds great to me. Of course, as good as it might be, it needs support before it can truly get anywhere. John Carmack implied that Sony and MS may not be too friendly and Steam Machines are currently targeting NVidias. Together this might mean that this technology never really gets off the ground.

 

[Malta]

SteamOS + mantle....

Our true power levels may be revealed?

 

[daze23]

SteamOS + mantle....

Our true power levels may be revealed?

all these players going in different directions though. Steam and Battlefield are like oil and water

 

[Malta]

all these players going in different directions though. Steam and Battlefield are like oil and water

Believe in Gabe my brother, he will lead us out of the darkness.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

SteamOS + mantle....

Our true power levels may be revealed?

Valve and Nvidia seem pretty Kliq'd up already