BulletProof
Just a B@stard Living in a Suit
Great points.
The Bobby becoming number two always pissed me off as being lazy but maybe I was wrong.
It would be different if Sil didn't have asthma attacks.
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Great points.
The Bobby becoming number two always pissed me off as being lazy but maybe I was wrong.
It would be different if Sil didn't have asthma attacks.
Yup Yup
But as far as the replacement thing Chris suspected something far far seasons before that, rememeber when Tony to allegedly kill the guy the murked Chris pops......
Chris: Why the hell is Bobby behind us
Tony:...............
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Bobby's rise got stunted with the death of his wife and Janice to a bigger degree, Tony knew Janice was a black widow that'll eventually get Bobby killed, which she did to a degree forcing him to take the reigns rather than be Tony's #2 in the shadows like Chris was early on, even still Bobby proved himself and was the biggest money maker by series end, it can be argued that Bobby's bank was far far greater than Tony's living in John's house, and having the house by the lake also, while Tony was scrambling for money robbing his trusted life long friends in the end..........Bottom Line Bobby was easily the strongest member by season 6
Great series the little subtleties have you coming back for more and more...........I question if Chris actually killed the man that killed his pops, Tony was sarcastic as fukk the whole time when Chris was asking questions, was he simply trying to get Chris to bond with him by any means neccessary
He couldnt be he lived in Johns house, and had the house by the lake, like Tony said Bobby had multimillion licks he was setting up, while the older guys were scrambling to make bucks using strippers and old world tactics, robbing grannies and such not 21 century schemes like Bobby did....
As far as Sil Tony slightly lost trust for Sil when Sil went against him and made a move on him because of the Chrissy becoming number 2 thing, although Tony understood Sil feelings he took a mental note of it, understanding what was already in his mind that he could only trust family, even life long friends could let him down. Besides it wasn't just the asthma attack thing, Sil could in a instant filp the fukk out and be petty looked how far he took that Christopher Columbus shyt, like Tony said he counted on SIl being the level headed one which Tony seen he wasn't. Watchers of the show seem to also get tricked into perception that Sil was level headed but by the final season he caught more bodies than damn near anyone, son was on his murder shyt hardbody
Given what was presented to us Bobby was better as a number 1 than Sil, Sil was a great and respected number 2 though......
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This thread brought back so many memories. I think I need to watch this show from start to finish again
Kill Dat Noize
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It's the greatest show of all time.
If Sopranos is on most of the time I'd rather watch that - an episode I've probably already seen about 100 times mind you - before I would anything else.
I really don't ever get sick of it.
Kill Dat Noize
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I question if Chris actually killed the man that killed his pops, Tony was sarcastic as fukk the whole time when Chris was asking questions, was he simply trying to get Chris to bond with him by any means neccessary
That's actually a great question. They never really spell it out.
I guess it's up for the viewer to decide.
Tony was lying/trolling like a muthafukker
, if you watch the series you can tell when Tony is being sarcastic as fukk, like when Ralphie wanted to give Jackie Jr a pass.....Or after the assembly man fukked his Russian broad, and how he acted towards him thereafter............... before the beating
Kill Dat Noize
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Not sayin you're wrong cuz like I said I believe it was intentionally left ambiguous.
But I would love to hear your theory.
What EXACTLY makes you think Tony was lying?
But I would love to hear your theory.
What EXACTLY makes you think Tony was lying?
He was sitting trolling in the car when Chris was asking about his pops death
Chris:He was carrying a crib for me
Tony: Rolls eyes.................It wasn't a crib he was carrying a bunch of TV trays, could of been a crib just as easily
He was also trolling on the Sombreo part
shyt was nothing more than a bonding experience to make Chris 100% loyal to Tony, Chrissy was so zooted he couldnt tell Tony was playing with his intelligence
Kill Dat Noize
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He was sitting trolling in the car when Chris was asking about his pops death
Chris:He was carrying a crib for me
Tony: Rolls eyes.................It wasn't a crib he was carrying a bunch of TV trays, could of been a crib just as easily
He was also trolling on the Sombreo part
shyt was nothing more than a bonding experience to make Chris 100% loyal to Tony, Chrissy was so zooted he couldnt tell Tony was playing with his intelligence
Well the one thing about it that's fishy is that Tony also loved Chrissy's dad, so it's kind of hard to believe he wouldn't have avenged his death after all that time. Let alone if he knew the guy that did it and actually had the power to do something about it. And yet he tells Chrissy he was spared because he was "useful". Kinda fishy.
What's interesting about the scene is that when Chris finally learns that he's lookin at the man that killed his father, his first reaction is
"how is this muthafukka still breathin"??? In other words... why haven't you killed this muthafukka yet.And when Chris finally confronts the guy at his house, he DOES seem like he got no idea what Chris is talkin about... which only adds fuel to the fire. But remember his life depended on it and he does say "I'm sorry" right before gettin popped. So in a roundabout way maybe that was his confession.
Like I said I thought it was left pretty open ended. I think you could probably argue both sides. In fact I think it's even more terrifying if you don't really know. Because you WANT to believe and you have REASON to believe that Tony is telling the truth, and yet deep down you know he's capable of being a sadistic and manipulative fukk that would lie to Chrissy if it meant securing his loyalty.
In the end you we are all just like Carmella. We want to look past this man's sins and we want to love him but deep down we aren't sure if he's telling us everything.
yea i figured that Tony was lying about that, I mean Chrissy even says something to the effect of "it doesn't matter if you didn't do it, he wants you dead anyways". I took that as Tony needing a job done while also using the opportunity to secure Chris's loyalty
I think Ton was lying and was using as a way to bind Chrissy to him. Tony is a sadistic fukk. He's always using people. He just had Chrissy run an errand for him. It was a great scene and set up though. Makes you realize how cold of a nikka Tony is.
Although the show doesnt spell it out, like Chris who had a drug issue, Tony is on drugs on and off throughout the series
If the famous sad clown speech, in episode 10 season 4(The Strong silent type), Tony gives three instances, where he is seen as this sad clown, parading and pretending for his friends to invoke certain reactions, standing strong on the outside all the while he's crying inside
1. About Pie-O-My everybody knew Tony killed his top earner and captain over a damn horse, while he had to pretend and act like shyt aint happen
2. He talks about lil Paulie who was in the ICU, he goes there acting like he cares but he sits by the bedside pretending like he didnt kill Ralphie, like he cares if NY killed Ralphie and such
3. He discusses Christopher drug use but not in anger but expressing disappointment/ sympathizing with him and using the 9/11 thing, like some a$$hole is stalking the human race and not just chrissy, and when Melfi says does his associates think about it, he says they dont talk about it, then the screen flashes to a face shot of Tony with a residue in his right nostril, and nose running then he blows his noise, something so subtle the average viewer wouldnt notice unless they been around users themselves.....Once again Tony is this sad Clown because not only is Chris on drugs those closet to Tony suspected of Tony's usage also, his daughter and Sil(who look at Tony in disgust in the season 4 No Show episode after Tony strolled into the office fukking with his noise and snorting, not expecting to see sil, and Sil turns his chair away from T)
http://bobsburgers.net/files/season4/the-strong-silent-type.php
Start's around 13:09
From my assuptions of me watching this series over and over the drug use wasn't evident til around Ralphies became a captain thats when the money was coming in and thats when his actions started to become too erratic, stealing a made nikkas bytch Ralphie which was against the rules, killing a made guy a known death sentence, and nearly ending his marriage for fukking a one legged woman
If the famous sad clown speech, in episode 10 season 4(The Strong silent type), Tony gives three instances, where he is seen as this sad clown, parading and pretending for his friends to invoke certain reactions, standing strong on the outside all the while he's crying inside
1. About Pie-O-My everybody knew Tony killed his top earner and captain over a damn horse, while he had to pretend and act like shyt aint happen
2. He talks about lil Paulie who was in the ICU, he goes there acting like he cares but he sits by the bedside pretending like he didnt kill Ralphie, like he cares if NY killed Ralphie and such
3. He discusses Christopher drug use but not in anger but expressing disappointment/ sympathizing with him and using the 9/11 thing, like some a$$hole is stalking the human race and not just chrissy, and when Melfi says does his associates think about it, he says they dont talk about it, then the screen flashes to a face shot of Tony with a residue in his right nostril, and nose running then he blows his noise, something so subtle the average viewer wouldnt notice unless they been around users themselves.....Once again Tony is this sad Clown because not only is Chris on drugs those closet to Tony suspected of Tony's usage also, his daughter and Sil(who look at Tony in disgust in the season 4 No Show episode after Tony strolled into the office fukking with his noise and snorting, not expecting to see sil, and Sil turns his chair away from T)
http://bobsburgers.net/files/season4/the-strong-silent-type.php
Start's around 13:09
From my assuptions of me watching this series over and over the drug use wasn't evident til around Ralphies became a captain thats when the money was coming in and thats when his actions started to become too erratic, stealing a made nikkas bytch Ralphie which was against the rules, killing a made guy a known death sentence, and nearly ending his marriage for fukking a one legged woman
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Although the show doesnt spell it out, like Chris who had a drug issue, Tony is on drugs on and off throughout the series
If the famous sad clown speech, in episode 10 season 4(The Strong silent type), Tony gives three instances, where he is seen as this sad clown, parading and pretending for his friends to invoke certain reactions, standing strong on the outside all the while he's crying inside
1. About Pie-O-My everybody knew Tony killed his top earner and captain over a damn horse, while he had to pretend and act like shyt aint happen
2. He talks about lil Paulie who was in the ICU, he goes there acting like he cares but he sits by the bedside pretending like he didnt kill Ralphie, like he cares if NY killed Ralphie and such
3. He discusses Christopher drug use but not in anger but expressing disappointment/ sympathizing with him and using the 9/11 thing, like some @sshole is stalking the human race and not just chrissy, and when Melfi says does his associates think about it, he says they dont talk about it, then the screen flashes to a face shot of Tony with a residue in his right nostril, and nose running then he blows his noise, something so subtle the average viewer wouldnt notice unless they been around users themselves.....Once again Tony is this sad Clown because not only is Chris on drugs those closet to Tony suspected of Tony's usage also, his daughter and Sil(who look at Tony in disgust in the season 4 Christopher episode after Tony strolled into the office fukking with his noise and snorting, not expecting to see sil, and Sil turns his chair away from T)
http://bobsburgers.net/files/season4/the-strong-silent-type.php
Start's around 13:09
From my assuptions of me watching this series over and over the drug use wasn't evident til around Ralphies became a captain thats when the money was coming in and thats when his actions started to become too erratic, stealing a made nikkas bytch Ralphie which was against the rules, killing a made guy a known death sentence, and nearly ending his marriage for fukking a one legged woman
never noticed...i might just have to watch this shyt again
MidwestD
Clyde Frog's Shooter
Although the show doesnt spell it out, like Chris who had a drug issue, Tony is on drugs on and off throughout the series
If the famous sad clown speech, in episode 10 season 4(The Strong silent type), Tony gives three instances, where he is seen as this sad clown, parading and pretending for his friends to invoke certain reactions, standing strong on the outside all the while he's crying inside
1. About Pie-O-My everybody knew Tony killed his top earner and captain over a damn horse, while he had to pretend and act like shyt aint happen
2. He talks about lil Paulie who was in the ICU, he goes there acting like he cares but he sits by the bedside pretending like he didnt kill Ralphie, like he cares if NY killed Ralphie and such
3. He discusses Christopher drug use but not in anger but expressing disappointment/ sympathizing with him and using the 9/11 thing, like some @sshole is stalking the human race and not just chrissy, and when Melfi says does his associates think about it, he says they dont talk about it, then the screen flashes to a face shot of Tony with a residue in his right nostril, and nose running then he blows his noise, something so subtle the average viewer wouldnt notice unless they been around users themselves.....Once again Tony is this sad Clown because not only is Chris on drugs those closet to Tony suspected of Tony's usage also, his daughter and Sil(who look at Tony in disgust in the season 4 Christopher episode after Tony strolled into the office fukking with his noise and snorting, not expecting to see sil, and Sil turns his chair away from T)
http://bobsburgers.net/files/season4/the-strong-silent-type.php
Start's around 13:09
From my assuptions of me watching this series over and over the drug use wasn't evident til around Ralphies became a captain thats when the money was coming in and thats when his actions started to become too erratic, stealing a made nikkas bytch Ralphie which was against the rules, killing a made guy a known death sentence, and nearly ending his marriage for fukking a one legged woman
Ralphie wanted that bytch to rub his balls with a cheese grader
