The secret developers: What "Next Gen" harware balance means for gaming

[MeachTheMonster]

"I don't agree with the facts you posted so I'll deflect"

 

[Liquid]

"I don't agree with the facts you posted so I'll deflect"

What facts? That somehow the CPU is more important or equivalent in terms of importance than the GPU when it comes to gaming? What kind of tech forum is this to co-sign such nonsense?

 

[daze23]

I don't agree and the Intel vs AMD APU debate kinda kills your argument when it comes to gaming.

I'm not sure what any APU debate has to do with it

if you teest (misspelled to avoid random smilie) different GPU's with the same CPU, and some GPU's get more frames per second than others, is the GPU not the "bottleneck" that is delivering less frames?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

What facts? That somehow the CPU is more important or equivalent in terms of importance than the GPU when it comes to gaming? What kind of tech forum is this to co-sign such nonsense?

Nobody said that. Strawman much

 

[Smooth3d]

I don't agree and the Intel vs AMD APU debate kills your argument when it comes to gaming.

I guess I need to post links Ok here you go:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6976/...powering-xbox-one-playstation-4-kabini-temash

Microprocessor architectures these days are largely limited, and thus defined, by power consumption. When it comes to designing an architecture around a power envelope the rule of thumb is any given microprocessor architecture can scale to target an order of magnitude of TDPs. For example, Intel’s Core architectures (Sandy/Ivy Bridge) effectively target the 13W - 130W range. They can surely be used in parts that consume less or more power, but at those extremes it’s more efficient to build another microarchitecture to target those TDPs instead.

Both AMD and Intel feel similarly about this order of magnitude rule, and thus both have two independent microprocessor architectures that they leverage to build chips for the computing continuum. From Intel we have Atom for low power, and Core for high performance. In 2010 AMD gave us Bobcat for its low power roadmap, and Bulldozer for high performance.

Both the Bobcat and Bulldozer lines would see annual updates. In 2011 we saw Bobcat used in Ontario and Zacate SoCs, as a part of the Brazos platform. Last year AMD announced Brazos 2.0, using slightly updated versions of those very same Bobcat based SoCs. Today AMD officially launches Kabini and Temash, APUs based on the first major architectural update to Bobcat: the Jaguar core.

As I said it competes with intel's atom cpu and their new Baytrails atoms are as fast or faster than the new jaguar based chips. Lots info at anand on both of them.

These are same chips you find in a $300 netbook.

 

[Liquid]

I'm not sure what any APU debate has to do with it

if you test different GPU's with the same CPU, and some GPU's get more frames per second than others, is the GPU not the "bottleneck" that is delivering less frames?

The APU debate is at the heart of the debate because AMD proved that while the CPU is definitely important, at the end of the day the GPU > CPU when you are talking about games.

Yes and that's the problem I ultimately have with the Xbox One...you are paying more for a "Gaming Console" which will deliver inferior graphics than the competition.

Nobody said that. Strawman much

So which consoles has the advantage when it comes to gaming then?

 

[Jax]

The GPU's ARE NOT FINE

GPU > CPU in gaming

THE GPU will be the bottleneck

And I add: GPU>CPU>RAM
Had to learn this the hard way

 

[Liquid]

And I add: GPU>CPU>RAM
Had to learn this the hard way

Nah, let the other clowns in this thread tell you differently.

Get you an Intel 4770K and Radeon 6670 instead of an AMD Quad Core and GTX 780 and play BF4 breh. Let me know how that works out for you in 1440P

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The APU debate is at the heart of the debate because AMD proved that while the CPU is definitely important, at the end of the day the GPU > CPU when you are talking about games.

Yes and that's the problem I ultimately have with the Xbox One...you are paying more for a "Gaming Console" which will deliver inferior graphics than the competition.

So which consoles has the advantage when it comes to gaming then?

Obviously ps4 has the advantage. But that advantage is being greatly overstated by people with an agenda such as yourself. Also having the faster CPU is nothing to scoff at either. It could very well reduce some bottlenecks.

 

[Liquid]

Obviously ps4 has the advantage. But that advantage is being greatly overstated by people with an agenda such as yourself. Also having the faster CPU is nothing to scoff at either. It could very well reduce some bottlenecks.

There is no agenda, I want the best.

No compromises

 

[MeachTheMonster]

There is no agenda, I want the best.

No compromises

Well you shouldn't be buying a ps4 then

 

[Smooth3d]

There is no agenda, I want the best.

No compromises

Umm @Liquid please reply to my post where i corrected you, Thank you

 

[Jax]

Nah, let the other clowns in this thread tell you differently.

Get you an Intel 4770K and Radeon 6670 instead of an AMD Quad Core and GTX 780 breh and play BF4 breh. Let me know how that works out for you in 1440P

Bought a tier 2 nvidia GPU, a quadcore, 16GB RAM laptop and got FAST, new games @me.

 

[Liquid]

Umm @Liquid please reply to my post where i corrected you, Thank you

I'm still researching on the PS4 CPU

GPU > CPU though and there really is no spin you can come up with that.

 

[daze23]

The APU debate is at the heart of the debate because AMD proved that while the CPU is definitely important, at the end of the day the GPU > CPU when you are talking about games.

Yes and that's the problem I ultimately have with the Xbox One...you are paying more for a "Gaming Console" which will deliver inferior graphics than the competition.

So which consoles has the advantage when it comes to gaming then?

what does any of that have to do with me saying the GPU should be the bottleneck

but you also have to get past last gen's paradigms. the CPU is going to become more important now that both next gen consoles have decent 8 core CPU's. did you not see the leaked Watch Dogs specs?