The Russia - Ukraine Conflict

[African Peasant]

Makes sense.

I'd like to know why the fate of the 2 breakaway regions in east wasn't included.

I assume that if he obtains what he's asking, there will be no reason to keep them out of Ukraine.

So if Ukraine joins the EU that means the war will just continue right?


Shouldn’t Zelensky be looking for ways to end the war and not escalating it?

All that EU adhesion stuff is pump faking destined to galvanize the Ukrainian population. You don't join the EU like that, it's a long process.

 

[Bonk]

They don't want to turn the population against them. It will make things harder for the next stage. Creating martyrs is never a good idea.

Also, there is a heavy paternalistic approach from Russians. It's cultural. Russians see Ukrainians as their "little brothers". Ukrainians are "small Russians". I'm not saying they are right, but in their minds, they are disciplining their little brother. Unleashing hell on Ukraine might even backfire on Putin in public opinion and even in the military.

I understand that but it has turned into propaganda war in which Russia/Putin stands no chance and will never recover from. When you compare how Russia moved against Georgia and this one - you'll see why.

At the end of the day, they're going to have to take that approach, if they're to win whilst minimising Russian casaulties. They have no choice now hence they have started levelling Kharkiv to the ground.

Also, most people don't know Putin is one of the moderates in Russia hence Tony Blair backed him when he first contested for office. There are worse Ruskies hardliners waiting to usurp him in Russia. And if those guys ever get to power - this would be child's play. The hardliners believe Russia is back militarily again to project its power and they're waiting to pounce.

 

[Bonk]

I assume that if he obtains what he's asking, there will be no reason to keep them out of Ukraine.

All that EU adhesion stuff is pump faking destined to galvanize the Ukrainian population. You don't join the EU like that, it's a long process.

But there's bad blood and 8 yrs of war and indiscriminate shelling of civilians from the Ukr side.

It will always be a tad difficult to get that region back in the fold in Ukr - they're more or less gone cue Biafra in Nigeria.

Interestingly, Ukr is constructed like Nigeria. A lot of Polish land with ethnic Poles to the west, real Ukr in the middle, Russian land with ethnic Russians in the east, and a conglomerate of ethnic nationalities in the south.

 

[African Peasant]

I understand that but it has turned into propaganda war in which Russia/Putin stands no chance and will never recover from. When you compare how Russia moved against Georgia and this one - you'll see why.

At the end of the day, they're going to have to take that approach, if they're to win whilst minimising Russian casaulties. They have no choice now hence they have started levelling Kharkiv to the ground.

Also, most people don't know Putin is one of the moderates in Russia hence Tony Blair backed him when he first contested for office. There are worse Ruskies hardliners waiting to usurp him in Russia. And if those guys ever get to power - this would be child's play. The hardliners believe Russia is back militarily again to project its power and they're waiting to pounce.

I might be wrong, but I think that Putin and co knew that by going into Ukraine they will take a huge L in terms of image and economy, but they had no choice. Not losing Ukraine is that important to them. Once again, I'm might be wrong.

 

[Bonk]

Hungary has been an interesting one as it has maintained neutrality.

 

[African Peasant]

But there's bad blood and 8 yrs of war and indiscriminate shelling of civilians from the Ukr side.

It will always be a tad difficult to get that region back in the fold in Ukr - they're more or less gone cue Biafra in Nigeria.

Interestingly, Ukr is constructed like Nigeria. A lot of Polish land with ethnic Poles to the west, real Ukr in the middle, Russian land with ethnic Russians in the east, and a conglomerate of ethnic nationalities in the south.

That's the "denazification" part, I assume.

Getting rid of the Banderists and the ultra-nationalists is in Putin's eyes enough to go back to the previous situation.

And by doing that, he dodges the argument about the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Crimea is something else.

 

[African Peasant]

Hungary has been an interesting one as it has maintained neutrality.

Hungary is a weird case: sometimes, they play the US card; sometimes, they play the Russian card; sometimes, they play the Turkish card.

 

[Piff Perkins]

The russian body count numbers are so high that if you halved them, thats a historically fast number of casualties.

Just an astonishing L russia is taking right now

They’ve lost more soldiers in half a week than the US lost in Iraq in nearly two decades. Pathetic display.

 

[Bonk]

I might be wrong, but I think that Putin and co knew that by going into Ukraine they will take a huge L in terms of image and economy, but they had no choice. Not losing Ukraine is that important to them. Once again, I'm might be wrong.

Obviously, he knew that. He's ex-KGB and I'm sure they were prepared for it economically. However, I doubt they expected the propaganda backlash that's on overdrive despite being as cautious as possible because it can't get any worse even if they were level the whole place to the ground (the whole thing has turned into a propaganda war).

The country will bounce back economically and the biggest losers would be the EU. But what they don't want is a long war that would look like an occupation.

Regardless, since talks failed today - I expect more force.

 

[SwizzLake]

Unfortunately this is escalating.

 

[hex]

My friend hasn't texted me back since Saturday

He's probably laid up with 5 Russian OnlyFans thots he paid in 1986 Aladdin's Castle tokens.

Them hoes are starving out there.

Fred.

 

[MikelArteta]

This isn't about USA though....why do you guys keep bringing them up to justify your weird support for Russia killing innocent people right now

civilians die in every war, unfortunately its war

 

[Bonk]

Hungary is a weird case: sometimes, they play the US card; sometimes, they play the Russian card; sometimes, they play the Turkish card.

Interesting.

No permanent friends - just interests. That's Hungary.

Smart bunch.

 

[Jekyll]

civilians die in every war, unfortunately its war

They are targeting civilian areas. This isn’t by accident. They are bombing neighborhoods and apt complexes no where near military targets.

 

[MikelArteta]

They are targeting civilian areas. This isn’t by accident. They are bombing neighborhoods and apt complexes no where near military targets.

disgusting