The Russia - Ukraine Conflict

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African Peasant said:
Who's talking about friends? We're talking about interest here...

We're not talking about Germany being pro russia. We're talking about people within the german eite being pro-russia aka favoring a certain strategic positioning of Germany: a Germany getting closer to Russia and protecting its ties with that country.

We're talking about people like:
Kay-Achim Schoenbach: he was the top officer of the german navy. He was forced to resign a few weeks ago after they accused him of praising Putin.

Mathias Warning, german businessman, very close to Putin and exec in the Nordstream 2 project. He worked for the Stasi...

People like Oliver Hermes and Michael Harms and all their friends at the Eastern committee.
Evidence? Nobody got time for that. You don't have to believe me.
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Ok breh.

Just for the record, Germans don't view business relationships in the same way that the anglo world does. Also the German sense of morality is more to do with practicalities than preachy naval gazing "principle" (as per the anglo world).

More recently internationally they have (in some corners) learned to parrot US/UK messaging but at the heart the question with them is "macht es sinn?". This coupled with their social tick for strctured negotiation at all levels of society, be that coallition politics, unions and wages, through to betriebsrat repsentation has ingrained this way of thinking in the populace.

Even "german hawks" (if such a thing could even have significant repsentation in modern germany) would opt for "negotiation" first.

Consensus drives modern Germany and so it is unsuprising when they opt for that rather than a more adversarial stance wrt to Russia. That does not mean that those significant softer elements of the German response are "pro russia".

They are a matter-of-fact driven people. With (and here comes the contradiction) a wild, deeply superstitious and illogical layer under that. A wild Beethoven if you will. The excessive rules in Germany reign that in and reign them into cooperation first type behaviour. After all "Ordnung musst sein".

I have been living on and off, in Germany for a long time now and I speak German.
 
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Bonk said:
Being bribed puppets =/= Americanised. A lot of these Eastern Europeans are just being wooed by a pipe-dream of prosperity/affluence and migration while their leaders are bribed. However, how many of these countries have become prosperous after joining EU and NATO? Those countries are still shytholes and interestingly, China is the one subsidising them whilst building their infrastructures.

German isn’t like Eastern European countries - it’s the richest country in Europe by a mile. And the standard of living in Germany for the average German is better than that of the average American and/or Brit. So, they can’t sway them with affluence/prosperity and the only way to keep them in-line is via continuous occupation. Hence the German will always maintain their stance beneath the pro-US layer.

American soft power is dwindling and European identity is at an all time high. And right now, economic influence is the most effective tool soft power due to how the world is. But China has that on lock as the new kid on the block with the deepest pocket. So, these countries can look East rather than look West. Welcome to a bi-polar world.

Let me expand and add something about the UK that most don’t know. The UK also has a sizeable pro-Russia population that doesn’t like the US’ excessiveness. A lot of them are mostly leftist radicals like the former Labour Party Leader (Jeremy Corbyn) and a lot of people in his cabinet, especially Seumas Milne (I’m still waiting for his Op-Ed on The Guardian about Ukraine vs Russia).

The only reason why these people don’t go mainstream too much with their views is because of the Anglo-American connection on one side and the role Soviet Union played in burying the British empire during the Suez Canal crisis on the other. I’m sure you know that the UK regained all its colonies after WW2 and the empire was still alive. However, it was strained financially hence it let go of the Indian subcontinent - albeit with indirect rule - and kept its other colonies (including those in Africa and West Indies). The empire finally collapsed after the Suez Canal crisis, with the UK giving out independence to any country up for it and Soviet Union played a big role in that. So, from a British nationalism POV - the UK and Russia shouldn’t mix.
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Bullshyt agent posting, commie b*stard. You ain't slick :ufdup:
 
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Jefferson Jackson said:
:jbhmm:

:francis:Get right w/ God & hug your loved ones brehs..
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Why you guys always interjecting religion in some shyt. Why doesn't God just stop the invasion period
 
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Many of yall know more about their conflict than I do. Whose side should we be on? It looks like most of us are on the Ukrainian side.:jbhmm:
 
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Sindicated said:
Exactly folks cant even stay off their phones for 10 minutes, dont know how to grow their own food and we seen what happened in Texas when the grid was down for a week or two imagine months if not years of that shyt.

America would literally turn into mad max country within months Putin aint lying when he said it would be a level of devastation no country has ever seen, then add on the fact there is still an ongoing pandemic and a food shortage millions would die within the first month.

Putin could literally siege us out without Russian troops having to leave the country.

Call me a conspiracy theorist idgaf, but this situation added on to whats been happening these past few years aligns damn near perfectly with the elites Agenda 2030
this shyt seems almost to perfect for it all to be a coincidence.
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Brehs should peep this thread:

Get Into Survivalism Brehs
 
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