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[blackzeus]

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I'm looking to practice liver shots specifically making sure rotation is there, place is correct and considering setups

Thoughts?

I think you have the right idea with the setups, but your goal should be to make your opponent expose his ribs a little. Let's say you're doing a left liver shot, get close and feint with your right shoulder. The trick IMHO is not so much to throw (in this case) a right hand setup punch, but to make him BELIEVE you're going to throw right. If you have to throw the right to get the liver shot, against a good opponent you won't get either in because he will be able to block both shots, because you're not throwing the setup punch with full force and he will be quick enough to see the liver shot coming. Not to mention you may expose your body trying to do all these setup punches. This is where your leg position comes into play, if you got one leg in front of the other you will be able to do this perfectly. Think of your waist as a swivel, and the leg that's closer to your opponent is the side you should use to throw the liver shot. It has to get there FAST. So you need to shorten the distance as much as possible. I would say a good low body puncher probably gets one shot in every half second. Watch @krackdagawd 's video, he's got a good 1-2. Do that but angle your body towards the side you want to throw the liver shot a little after feinting with opposite shoulder. Note I said shoulder not hand, because by the time your arm is extending and he's trying to avoid getting it up top, it's already too late for him, your liver shot is approaching. If he's a good boxer he will see it but it will be too late, because he's already committed to defending/countering your other punch. So yeah, that 1-2 with proper foot placement (pivot foot?) and body lean is essential to accurately and consistently landing liver shots in my personal opinion, but i'll let the pros advise you better. Damn this is an awesome thread

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I think you have the right idea with the setups, but your goal should be to make your opponent expose his ribs a little. Let's say you're doing a left liver shot, get close and feint with your right shoulder. The trick IMHO is not so much to throw (in this case) a right hand setup punch, but to make him BELIEVE you're going to throw right. If you have to throw the right to get the liver shot, against a good opponent you won't get either in because he will be able to block both shots, because you're not throwing the setup punch with full force and he will be quick enough to see the liver shot coming. Not to mention you may expose your body trying to do all these setup punches. This is where your leg position comes into play, if you got one leg in front of the other you will be able to do this perfectly. Think of your waist as a swivel, and the leg that's closer to your opponent is the side you should use to throw the liver shot. It has to get there FAST. So you need to shorten the distance as much as possible. I would say a good low body puncher probably gets one shot in every half second. Watch @krackdagawd 's video, he's got a good 1-2. Do that but angle your body towards the side you want to throw the liver shot a little after feinting with opposite shoulder. Note I said shoulder not hand, because by the time your arm is extending and he's trying to avoid getting it up top, it's already too late for him, your liver shot is approaching. If he's a good boxer he will see it but it will be too late, because he's already committed to defending/countering your other punch. So yeah, that 1-2 with proper foot placement (pivot foot?) and body lean is essential to accurately and consistently landing liver shots in my personal opinion, but i'll let the pros advise you better. Damn this is an awesome thread

What would you throw to setup a lower body hook breh? Straight right to get maximum torque into the hook? Watching the pro's I always thought the guys who could add the slightest hesitation in between their combination punches ended up landing them due to the rhythm being off. Doing this is obviously hard as shyt but I always thought it would be an effective tactic.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

when you punch what you are trying to do is transfer your body weight from leg to leg through a process of hip rotation. that means that whenever your hips are rotating your body weight should be moving from leg to leg in the same motion. this is what creates follow through. follow through is created when your body weight moves through whatever is in the way of its progression from leg to leg. your arm is just along for the ride. punching is about your body weight crushing through anything that gets in its way en route to its destination. boxing is about making guys get in its way.

I love the way yuzo posts....his shyt is like boxing for dummies. he breaks it down on an elementary level for us regular folks.....this dude gonna help me develop that one hitter quitter

 

[blackzeus]

What would you throw to setup a lower body hook breh? Straight right to get maximum torque into the hook? Watching the pro's I always thought the guys who could add the slightest hesitation in between their combination punches ended up landing them due to the rhythm being off. Doing this is obviously hard as shyt but I always thought it would be an effective tactic.

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing, again I'm not a pro boxer, but to me a liver shot/lower body shot is not the same as a lower body hook shot. Me personally, I've never been a fan of the lower body hook shot unless it's too get someone off you, you need to be too close to your opponent. I've always been a fan of working from a distance, hitting and not getting hit. Now if you're doing MMA it's a completely different ball game, and you need to practice throwing lower body hook shots in a clinch, sh*t is mutherf*ckin' essential to survival . With all that being said, if you feel that's an effective punch for you, you have to get into the person's space. Unless you're Dhalsim or Stretch Armstrong I don't see how you are throwing it outside of the clinch, you have to reach too far. Again I don't know why that would be your goal, but I would suggest an uppercut in the clinch personally to set up the hook shot, you have to get your opponent to bring his arms up, and you're not gonna throw a straight right in a clinch unless you got T-Rex arms

Assuming you meant a regular lower body shot, yes, that's right, again watch @krackdagawd 's video, look at his foot placement and his 1-2 punch. You should think of your torso as a windup toy/yoyo of sorts, as soon as that straight right leaves your shoulder you need to IMMEDIATELY let the liver shot fly, 1-2, boom BOOM, if that makes any sense to you. And as an aside once you get that first body shot in let the gloves fly, nothing takes you out like a hard shot to the livers/kidneys

 

[blackzeus]

Get busy

he's literally cookin'

 

[Yuzo]

torque is a term that is misused a lot. torque is about a force being applied to a pivot point over a distance. try to push a door near its hinges. thats really hard to do. try to push a door furthest away from its hinges. thats really easy to do. thats torque. now you know why door knobs are where they are on doors. applying more force over more distance produces more torque.

i have this theory that a lot of guys that come into boxing gyms suddenly get amnesia when they walk through the doors and dont remember how to throw something. a lot of the mechanics that we use for punching are the same mechanics that we use for throwing and a lot of the mechanics that we use for throwing are instinctive. when we throw something we instinctively pull back our front hip which swings our back hip forward and we transfer our body weight from back leg to front leg in the same motion. this makes our hips come square, and our arm, which was just along for the ride, whips through, and whatever that was in our throwing hand is sent on its way at the same speed that our throwing hand was moving, meaning that to throw something 101 mph your hand has to be moving 101 mph. the reason that we instinctively pull back our front hip to swing forward our back hip is because our front hip is further away from our throwing hand than our back hip is. by applying our force over more distance we instinctively know that we can produce more torque that way.

but when we walk through the doors of a boxing a gym we suddenly dont remember this. a lot of guys in boxing dont produce maximum torque, transfer body weight from leg to leg, or create any arm whip when they throw punches.

when we throw our straight right hand we are just trying to transfer our body weight from back leg to front leg. joe montana said that he liked to have a 70/30 weight distribution meaning 70% of body weight over the back leg and 30% of body weight over the front leg and then throw into a 10/90 weight distribution meaning 10% of body weight over the back leg and 90% of body weight over the front leg. these are roughly the same sort of weight transfer percentages that we should be shooting for when we throw our punches. when we throw our straight right hand our upper body should be moving over our front leg in a downward forward motion. our chest should be coming just over our front knee. our weight distribution should be roughly 10/90. our arm was just along for the ride.

when we throw our straight right hand we are just trying to transfer our body weight from back leg to front leg, but when we throw our overhand right and our left hook we are not just trying to transfer weight, we are trying to create a lot of arm whip too.

to create whip for our punches our hips have to be moving in front of our arm. pitching coaches refer to this as hip to shoulder seperation which is just a fancy way to say that your hips and your arm are not moving together at the same time. when your hips and your arm are moving together at the same time your hips cant pull your arm through into extension and therefore cant create whip.

here is what good hip to shoulder seperation looks like. as you can see the hips are moving in front of the arm and come square before the arm is pulled through into extension and therefore creating whip. good hip to shoulder seperation has a good delay between the movement of the hips and the movement of the arm. poor hip to shoulder seperation has zero delay between the movement of the hips and the movement of the arm.

here is really good hip to shoulder seperation and whip.

here is really poor hip to shoulder seperation and no whip.

Spoiler

for you guys that want to have some really extreme whip when you punch you can use scap loading which is just a fancy way for pitching coaches to say pull your shoulders back and stick your chest out.

heres jacob degrom scap loading into hip to shoulder seperation and front foot strike. when your hips pull your arm through into extension and you are scap loading your arm just turns into pure rubber. extreme extreme whip. this is a great way for you to throw your overhand right.

a lot of the things that we do in boxing are instinctive. we do what we do because we already instinctively and naturally know what to do. many boxing trainers try to censor a lot of the good things that we try to do instinctively. but some of the best boxers ever were guys that would just do a lot of things instinctively. sugar ray robinson and joe frazier were guys that instinctively cocked way back and threw punches with extreme whip. a boxing trainer may try to say that this is actually wrong. a pitching coach would actually try to make you cock back even more and even refer to what you are doing as scap loading which is something that you dont need to be a pitching coach to already instinctively know how to do. some journeys can take you back to where you started and some things that you already know can take a long time for you to know.

 

[PJTech]

This is very old but in case anyone ever considers using a sauna suit

It will get you bad, especially your heart and breathing, feels like a torture chamber

 

[PJTech]

This thread die?

 

[Yuzo]

for anybody that is wondering how to throw a right hand

here.

thats how you throw a right hand.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

for anybody that is wondering how to throw a right hand

here.

thats how you throw a right hand.

Don't you want to bring the back foot forward with you if you're taking the penultimate step breh?

@PJTech this thread will never die as long as their are legit #InTheRing folks. I'll try and get something up this week.

@krackdagawd @LeVraiPapi @LauderdaleBoss

Let's see something brehs

 

[mr. smoke weed]

This thread die?

Looking good PJ!

Nah man it'll never die, just get stronger and multiply.

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

Don't you want to bring the back foot forward with you if you're taking the penultimate step breh?

@PJTech this thread will never die as long as their are legit #InTheRing folks. I'll try and get something up this week.

@krackdagawd @LeVraiPapi @LauderdaleBoss

Let's see something brehs

I haven't had a chance to train so I can even get a chance to film something.

Thread will never die tho.

 

[LeVraiPapi]

This thread die?

shyt man. beautiful work. beautiful

 

[mr. smoke weed]

shyt man. beautiful work. beautiful

Yea @PJTech has gotten so much better its ridic that man

Now breh where them bag work vids? We know you got your gloves n shoes boss.

 

[LeVraiPapi]

Yea @PJTech has gotten so much better its ridic that man

Now breh where them bag work vids? We know you got your gloves n shoes boss.

No shoes yet but I got them gloves and wraps. Been putting in work but not as often as I should. I will pick up on em though.