Essential "The Real Truth Is Wall Street Regulates Congress": The Offical Bernie Sanders CircleJerk Thread

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Krugman Over the Edge: He Should Apologize for Smearing Bernie Sanders With False Charges

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Krugman Over the Edge: He Should Apologize for Smearing Bernie Sanders With False Charges
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Paul Krugman has been waging a one-man war against Bernie Sanders, lobbing bombs and missiles from his perch at the New York Times, in column after blog post after column. It is interesting that has chosen to repeatedly smear Bernie, ad nauseum, rather than try to promote some positive qualities about Hillary Clinton or her record, about which he has said very little. Perhaps it is because for Krugman, who is neither a moderate Republican nor a conservative Democrat, nor a neoconservative militarist on foreign policy, it’s not so easy for him to promote Hillary.

But on Friday he really went “over the edge,” to use his own words. And this time, he really owes Bernie and his millions of voters and supporters an apology.

In his column, he argues that Bernie does not consider African-Americans to be “real Democrats,” which implies that Bernie is a racist. What is the evidence that he offers for such a serious charge?
Just these two sentences in his column:



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Over the past week, Mr. Sanders has declared that Mrs. Clinton leads only because she has won in the “Deep South,” which is a “pretty conservative part of the country.” The tally so far, he says, “distorts reality” because it contains so many Southern states.





Let’s ignore that he exaggerates what Bernie actually said. For Krugman, because Hillary “won big in the South” by “getting an overwhelming majority of Black voters,” this means that Bernie’s brief statements are an “effort to delegitimize” these voters, saying they are not “real Democrats” and “shouldn’t count.”

But this is nonsense. There is an obvious way to understand Bernie’s statement that is consistent with what any historian or political scientist can tell you. The white voters who would vote for a progressive, populist candidate like Sanders are lacking in the Democratic primaries in Southern states. This is a reasonable observation and does not imply in any way that African-American voters are not “real Democrats.”

Of course, these states are conservative, by most measures — no secret there. Now, white people are still the majority of the country, including in the South, and some white people are not conservative — 40 percent of white voters voted for President Obama in 2012.

Other white voters, including some non-rich and working-class whites, may have a mix of inconsistent views but will vote for someone like Bernie in a Democratic primary, because they can see he is more likely to defend their interests than Hillary on a whole set of issues: against commercial agreements like NAFTA or the TPP that push down wages and export good-paying jobs; against the corruption of our political system and the destructive influence of Wall Street banks; against the massive redistribution of income that has made the United States a vastly more unequal society than it was 30 years ago. On these and other issues, Bernie and Hillary have very, very different track records.

And Hillary has taken tens of millions of dollars from corporations that are on the other side of the issues that these white voters care about. Perhaps that is why 84 percent of Democratic voters, in a recent poll consider Bernie to be “honest and trustworthy,” a 28 point lead over Hillary.

It is outrageous for Krugman to smear Bernie Sanders in this way, on the basis of Krugman’s own personal, and not very believable, interpretation of a couple of sentences stated by the candidate. Bernie has been fighting for civil rights and against racism since the 1960s, including his arrest for protesting racial discrimination in housing at the University of Chicago in 1963.

Krugman has repeatedly attacked Sanders for rude comments or emails he has received from people that he describes with the media-invented pejorative “Bernie bros.” If some random pro-Hillary internet trolls criticize me for this piece, rest assured that I will not try to attribute blame to Hillary Clinton, or to her campaign.

It’s not surprising that Krugman has to go to such great lengths to discredit Bernie. Someone who has been in politics for 40 years and has no dirt on him; who is not getting a dollar from corporations or Super-PACS, but is funding his campaign with a record 6 million contributions averaging 27 dollars each; who has been fighting consistently for the same progressive goals throughout his political career — this is a rare politician indeed, and not so easy to tarnish.

But really, Krugman should apologize this time. He has gone too far.

Danny Glover is an actor, director, producer and activist.


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public universities and colleges were free in the 70's...it was either the tail end of the Carter Adminsitration or the beginning of Reagan that they got rid of it, I believe. Anyway, it didn't crash anything, or create braindead people. It provided an educated workforce that was upwardly mobile and unhindered by large debt.

Again, not buying what you posted.

Wow, surprised you know how to use a computer.

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public universities and colleges were free in the 70's...it was either the tail end of the Carter Adminsitration or the beginning of Reagan that they got rid of it, I believe. Anyway, it didn't crash anything, or create braindead people. It provided an educated workforce that was upwardly mobile and unhindered by large debt.

Again, not buying what you posted.
They weren't free. The problem was guaranteed loans from the government.
 

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Nah, call it what is is, and stop dressing it up. You tell people to make better choices in life, at least procreation ones (the most expensive of all, especially emotionally), and you're suddenly the enemy. I've seen it over and over. There is a dependancy culture. Until that culture grows the fukk up, the GOP will always be in play. You can't have it where you drop out of school and then start immediately making babies when you have no savings, yet this is the norm in many neighborhoods, because subsistence is expected.

You really think if they knew America would force people to starve from many decisions they make, people would continue making them? :usure: If the parent was raised off Welfare, it's likely they won't parent the child away from it, unless they're one of the rare driven people, which is why benefits MUST be more incentivized, not cut. If you do X (which is a pathway off), you received Y, and then Z for a certain number of months. Like bank crimes having zero disincentives, Welfare has no incentives to leave it either, except in places like New York, that require you to check in with someone daily.
Ok Bill O'Reilly. This is just simplistic scapegoating. "Telling people to make better choices" isn't a strategy to improve socioeconomic conditions. It's not like there hasn't been a lack of pointing fingers and calls to pull yourself up by your bootstraps for the past 50 years, and that has amounted to shyt.

Again, "dependency culture" is just a red herring of half-assed sociological critique and misplaced causation. Demographic swaths of people have become dependent on welfare due to socioeconomic marginalization under neoliberalism.

There is an incentive to get off government assistance, the incentive is that life fukking sucks and is miserable and nobody chooses it. The education and employment opportunities are not there, that's why you have generational government dependence. And you are a moron if you think people would stop having babies young out of wedlock if there were no government subsidies. Poor people with poor education, poor nutrition, no jobs, and nothing to do will always have a higher rate teen pregnancies.

It's also quite inaccurate and insulting to suggest that everyone that gets government assistance is lazy and incompetent. There's a lot of hard-working parents who work shytty low-paying jobs, often 2 or 3 at once--many that are in school as well--that get food stamps or rental assistance as they try to raise a family and still barely keep there heads above water. Those are the people who would get fukked over if you slash the safety net further or add extra layers of intrusion just to make an example out of the worst abusers.
 
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Ok Bill O'Reilly. This is just simplistic scapegoating. "Telling people to make better choices" isn't a strategy to improve socioeconomic conditions. It's not like there hasn't been a lack of pointing fingers and calls to pull yourself up by your bootstraps for the past 50 years, and that has amounted to shyt.

Again, "dependency culture" is just a red herring of half-assed sociological critique and misplaced causation. Demographic swaths of people have become dependent on welfare due to socioeconomic marginalization under neoliberalism.

There is an incentive to get off government assistance, the incentive is that life fukking sucks and is miserable and nobody chooses it. The education and employment opportunities are not there, that's why you have generational government dependence. And you are a moron if you think people would stop having babies young out of wedlock if there were no government subsidies. Poor people with poor education, poor nutrition, no jobs, and nothing to do will always have a higher rate teen pregnancies.

It's also quite inaccurate and insulting to suggest that everyone that gets government assistance is lazy and incompetent. There's a lot of hard-working parents who work shytty low-paying jobs, often 2 or 3 at once--many that are in school as well--that get food stamps or rental assistance as they try to raise a family and still barely keep there heads above water. Those are the people who would get fukked over if you slash the safety net further just to make an example out of the worst abusers.

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Shyt is spooky out here, Republicans in progressive clothing :whoa:
 

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Dude is supposed to be a progressive? :heh: He's regurgitating Randian bullshyt. "Until that culture grows up." fukk does that even mean?

Some of these younger Bernie Sanders supporters are on some smartdumb shyt, I must say.
Before I put him on ignore I think he indicated he's around 30 :heh:
 

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A lot of the Sanders supporters here are young republicans and Libertarians incase you guys haven't been paying attention the last several months...
 

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A lot of the Sanders supporters here are young republicans and Libertarians incase you guys haven't been paying attention the last several months...
I feel like this is a shot at Reggie...
 

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Ok Bill O'Reilly. This is just simplistic scapegoating. "Telling people to make better choices" isn't a strategy to improve socioeconomic conditions. It's not like there hasn't been a lack of pointing fingers and calls to pull yourself up by your bootstraps for the past 50 years, and that has amounted to shyt.

Again, "dependency culture" is just a red herring of half-assed sociological critique and misplaced causation. Demographic swaths of people have become dependent on welfare due to socioeconomic marginalization under neoliberalism.

There is an incentive to get off government assistance, the incentive is that life fukking sucks and is miserable and nobody chooses it. The education and employment opportunities are not there, that's why you have generational government dependence. And you are a moron if you think people would stop having babies young out of wedlock if there were no government subsidies. Poor people with poor education, poor nutrition, no jobs, and nothing to do will always have a higher rate teen pregnancies.

It's also quite inaccurate and insulting to suggest that everyone that gets government assistance is lazy and incompetent. There's a lot of hard-working parents who work shytty low-paying jobs, often 2 or 3 at once--many that are in school as well--that get food stamps or rental assistance as they try to raise a family and still barely keep there heads above water. Those are the people who would get fukked over if you slash the safety net further or add extra layers of intrusion just to make an example out of the worst abusers.
You call me a moron, and I've said nothing about simply cutting people off. Ya'll can rail against people all you want, but I've had a shyt life and didn't just have a baby I couldn't afford because my life was shyt. That was a life choice. What you all are saying is that it's always someone else's fault for your own decisions and that's bullshyt. I don't care how many people think it or dap it. If I'm strong enough to do it, I'm very sure others are too. You are enablers that have these people continue to whine, when they should take definitive steps on improving their situation.

There's plenty of immigrants who came here with NOTHING, and pulled themselves out of that. Yes, it was hard for them, and many of them left behind and struggling, but there's plenty of really rich people out of those groups, that Blacks go to buy stuff from. Why? They got rid of or used their pathologies to enhance themselves and not let it defeat them. Bill O'Reilly wouldn't call for half or even a quarter of the plans I feel will get people who want to move to get moving. If you don't want to move, we shouldn't have to constantly hear you complain and cop pleas for you. That's what I fear will happen if the Coli "socialists" ever get in charge.

We are living in a negative pathology. A lot of people are highly resistant to intellectual pursuits. Clarence Thomas is a welfare recipient, and found himself in the highest office in the land. You may hate to hear that, and his Uncle Tom ass might hate it too, but you have to understand why that happened. He used affirmstive action, welfare, and college subsidies to apply hinself in the favorable environment he was given. He likely had it terribly hard too, but he didnt defeat himself early, or act like it was impossible. You all cannot, because you've been programmed to think that since the system tries its hardest to defeat you, that you stay defeated until they make it right. That is NOT going to ever happen, and all of your very good arguments for it isn't going to push the needle any closer, unless we have a catastrophic event that makes America rethink capitalism.

I'm just the messenger. I want the best for all of us, so I don't feel like the lone exception and keep getting my ass kissed like I'm so much better than people. I just have a higher IQ and a lot more will than most. I could have easily been defeated myself. People like you keep us from evolving, because you are saying that it's okay to commit crimes and sit on welfare out of anger that America has done us wrong. You're right on the latter, but when you find no one really gives a shyt, after promising change, how many election cycles are you going to wait until you tell the people they need to be doing it THEMSELVES, using all the tools the government provided everyone else??

When you all realize that even if they do the dab's and the Nae Nae's and the handshakes and other bullshyt to play Black; that you are still being used, and be angry that people patronize you, then you will help galvanize the force necessary for us to get the fukk out of the situation. Nah, ya'll want to keep complaining, never changing when times are; but then pull BLM stunts on the people closest to you and ask if the Jews are running the Fed to the Jewish candidate who has tried to do the most to advance our progress.

Even if you try to claim its a buzzword, and tool of the right against you, it is still the truth. There is a dependency culture. No fair minded person can say otherwise. The main problem is we overestimate our value to America. And when we're 19 Trillion in the hole, in deficits, you really have to get out of the idealist bubble as to how many people are really going to give a fukk about Black interests. You keep playing yourselves and it's depressing to watch. Our own Black president didn't give a shyt. He told us to do some of the same shyt I'm saying now. But ya'll mad at me huh?
 
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Ok Bill O'Reilly. This is just simplistic scapegoating. "Telling people to make better choices" isn't a strategy to improve socioeconomic conditions. It's not like there hasn't been a lack of pointing fingers and calls to pull yourself up by your bootstraps for the past 50 years, and that has amounted to shyt.

Again, "dependency culture" is just a red herring of half-assed sociological critique and misplaced causation. Demographic swaths of people have become dependent on welfare due to socioeconomic marginalization under neoliberalism.

There is an incentive to get off government assistance, the incentive is that life fukking sucks and is miserable and nobody chooses it. The education and employment opportunities are not there, that's why you have generational government dependence. And you are a moron if you think people would stop having babies young out of wedlock if there were no government subsidies. Poor people with poor education, poor nutrition, no jobs, and nothing to do will always have a higher rate teen pregnancies.

It's also quite inaccurate and insulting to suggest that everyone that gets government assistance is lazy and incompetent. There's a lot of hard-working parents who work shytty low-paying jobs, often 2 or 3 at once--many that are in school as well--that get food stamps or rental assistance as they try to raise a family and still barely keep there heads above water. Those are the people who would get fukked over if you slash the safety net further or add extra layers of intrusion just to make an example out of the worst abusers.
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