The question must be asked: Is Ladd McConkey better than Marvin Harrison Jr?

[I AM WARHOL]

It’s gonna sound crazy but predraft me and my homie were talking Ladd and how his comp is AB. Dude is a technician with speed.

Ladd McConkey Gets an All-Pro Comparison Ahead of the NFL Combine

A lot of NFL draft analysts see Ladd McConkey as a slot receiver, but one analyst believes he's reminiscent of one of the best all-around receivers ever, both outside and in the slot.

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[HabitualChiller]

I said before the draft MHJ was overrated. No disrespect. He was just not generational. Def wasn’t the best player in the draft like scouts were saying. I had Nabers and BTJ over him. BTJ is what MHJ was getting hyped to be. Never saw the hype when watching his tape. Marv might have 3 broken tackles on his whole career mixtape at OSU. Ladd has been severely underrated. Him and Brock were the bedrock of UGAs offense. The player who should’ve gotten the generational hype was Bowers. He was the best player in last years draft. Was the best offensive player as a freshman on a championship team in the SEC. Damn near won 3 straight ships. Now he’s already breaking records with scrubs at QB

This is obvious in hindsight because they had Carson Beck looking like a top quarterback.

No shade to you because I'm sure you had the same opinion prior to last season's draft.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

This is obvious in hindsight because they had Carson Beck looking like a top quarterback.

No shade to you because I'm sure you had the same opinion prior to last season's draft.

Yessir. UGA is my team so we’ve been knowing just how elite those 2 are. That’s honestly why I still rock with Carson. Had him throwing to Arian Smith this year, who might be the long lost son of Ted Gunn Jr, but much much worse. Replaced 2 first rounders with a two pack of ass. Who wouldn’t struggle. Took a while to ID how special Ladd was but Brock was the best player in the country probably as soon as he stepped onto campus

 

[IIVI]

Pre-draft I said it was highly unlikely that all three hyped WR’s were going to pan out.

Historically, WR’s chosen in the top 10 have not had legendary or even great NFL careers. Thinking all three were going to thrive was a reach.

Prior to Mike Evans (who Tet McMillan reminds me of), the last WR drafted in the top 10 to win a Super Bowl was Travis Taylor in 2000. It took Tom Brady to win with Evans though.

 

[BeerOnTheBeach]

I mean you could say he's a top 10 WR in the league at the moment.

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[feelosofer]

The thing is MHJ is a traditional WR and that's fine the other thing is Kyler Murray is too mercurial a QB to make the most of him unlike Justin Herbert who has the ability to make the most of some one like him.

Ladd McConkey is more of an 'offensive weapon' where he can have an impact in several roles on the field.

 

[Whips-n-Chains]

Ladd McConkey is sucn a fukking hillbilly honkey name it sounds made up

 

[premier58]

Pre-draft I said it was highly unlikely that all three hyped WR’s were going to pan out.

Historically, WR’s chosen in the top 10 have not had legendary or even great NFL careers. Thinking all three were going to thrive was a reach.

Prior to Mike Evans (who Tet McMillan reminds me of), the last WR drafted in the top 10 to win a Super Bowl was Travis Taylor in 2000. It took Tom Brady to win with Evans though.

Keyshawn Johnson won the SB in 2002. Waa drafted in 96. Torry **** won the SB in 99, was drafted in 99. Its uncommon, but it has happened.

 

[premier58]

Keyshawn Johnson won the SB in 2002. Waa drafted in 96. Torry **** won the SB in 99, was drafted in 99. Its uncommon, but it has happened.

Michael Irvin was the centerpiece to 3 SB winning teams, as the 11th pick

 

[Dem313wayz]

Another bad performance. Saw this on a reddit thread. Cardinals fans are seeing Harrison may not be special

Marv has many problems and since you are just a fantasy owner I feel compelled to list them for you.
One of his problems is not coming back to the ball on long out routes to the sideline. Instead he just sits there and waits, and the CB notices and has time to come back to knock the ball away.

In OT we ran the same play twice and Marv made those easy completions turn into 50/50 balls. Both plays the ball hit Marv's hands, but the CB was able to easily rip the ball out of his hands. That brings us to another issue


Marv is not physical at all. CBs rip balls out of his hands every single week while Marv is in the act of completing the catch. For a fanbase that is used to watching Larry Fitzgerald and Deandre Hopkins this is maddening. If a catch is contested Marv probably isn't going to go down with it. 160 pound Xavier Worthy is better at dealing with CBs jamming him. Now why are so many of Marv's catches contested? This brings us to another issue, the primary issue.


Marv can't separate from CBs at all, he looks flat out looks slow unless he's running a go route. He has straight line speed, but on everything else he is easily blanketed. He can't really fake a go and run a curl either, he doesn't have the quickness for it, CBs easily see through it. He's won against Jalen Ramsey and some dude on the Rams who got traded to the Ravens for a 7th round pick, that's it. Ever since the Miami game our OC has been trying to make Marv the focal point of the offense, moving him around, trying to get him easy looks, but Marv just can't get open on anything, even the simple stuff. Despite that, Kyler has been forcing the ball to Marv and the results have been abysmal with Marv pulling in less than half of his targets and turning easy catches into incompletion. Feeding Marv has killed the entire offense and tanked the season.


At the beginning of the year our OC mainly used Marv on go routes as the sacrificial X. Our early opponents respected Marv a lot and would double team him, opening things up for our other pass catchers and the run game. It turns out this was smart by our OC, and it is the only way Marv can threaten a defense. But there were massive complaints about this usage and I'm sure politics got involved. Ever since we've made him the focal point of our passing game defenses have realized Marv doesn't need to be double teamed, you can just stick your CB 1 or 2 on him and erase him. A throw to MHJ is the least efficient play in our playbook. Other issues I didn't go into include, lazy route running, bad run blocking, tipping plays by running even lazier when we aren't passing to him, he's terrible at tracking the ball in the air, and BODY CATCHING.

 

[Remote]

1. That post above is hard to read if you're using Coli Dark mode.

2. I'm disappointed by Marvin's lack of production. I'm not ready to say he lacks separation on routes. That might be true. But I am curious if the metrics support it.

 

[42 Monks]

1. That post above is hard to read if you're using Coli Dark mode.

2. I'm disappointed by Marvin's lack of production. I'm not ready to say he lacks separation on routes. That might be true. But I am curious if the metrics support it.

our defense is categorially ass. our DBs were bullying the fukk out of MHJ. and murray was looking for him all game too.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

At the beginning of the year our OC mainly used Marv on go routes as the sacrificial X. Our early opponents respected Marv a lot and would double team him, opening things up for our other pass catchers and the run game. It turns out this was smart by our OC, and it is the only way Marv can threaten a defense.

Yeah that's what I saw early on. They basically used him on go routes as a decoy. It's gotta suck for Arizona fans when you drafted the guy and he's at best the 4th best WR in his class so far(5th best pass catcher if you throw Bowers in there)

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Another bad performance. Saw this on a reddit thread. Cardinals fans are seeing Harrison may not be special

Marv has many problems and since you are just a fantasy owner I feel compelled to list them for you.
One of his problems is not coming back to the ball on long out routes to the sideline. Instead he just sits there and waits, and the CB notices and has time to come back to knock the ball away.

In OT we ran the same play twice and Marv made those easy completions turn into 50/50 balls. Both plays the ball hit Marv's hands, but the CB was able to easily rip the ball out of his hands. That brings us to another issue


Marv is not physical at all. CBs rip balls out of his hands every single week while Marv is in the act of completing the catch. For a fanbase that is used to watching Larry Fitzgerald and Deandre Hopkins this is maddening. If a catch is contested Marv probably isn't going to go down with it. 160 pound Xavier Worthy is better at dealing with CBs jamming him. Now why are so many of Marv's catches contested? This brings us to another issue, the primary issue.


Marv can't separate from CBs at all, he looks flat out looks slow unless he's running a go route. He has straight line speed, but on everything else he is easily blanketed. He can't really fake a go and run a curl either, he doesn't have the quickness for it, CBs easily see through it. He's won against Jalen Ramsey and some dude on the Rams who got traded to the Ravens for a 7th round pick, that's it. Ever since the Miami game our OC has been trying to make Marv the focal point of the offense, moving him around, trying to get him easy looks, but Marv just can't get open on anything, even the simple stuff. Despite that, Kyler has been forcing the ball to Marv and the results have been abysmal with Marv pulling in less than half of his targets and turning easy catches into incompletion. Feeding Marv has killed the entire offense and tanked the season.


At the beginning of the year our OC mainly used Marv on go routes as the sacrificial X. Our early opponents respected Marv a lot and would double team him, opening things up for our other pass catchers and the run game. It turns out this was smart by our OC, and it is the only way Marv can threaten a defense. But there were massive complaints about this usage and I'm sure politics got involved. Ever since we've made him the focal point of our passing game defenses have realized Marv doesn't need to be double teamed, you can just stick your CB 1 or 2 on him and erase him. A throw to MHJ is the least efficient play in our playbook. Other issues I didn't go into include, lazy route running, bad run blocking, tipping plays by running even lazier when we aren't passing to him, he's terrible at tracking the ball in the air, and BODY CATCHING.

I'm retiring from discussing the Cardinals, but a lot of this is true.MHJ seems to have zero hunger or aggressiveness...but it's a two way street.Kyler also has terrible ball placement.He often throws the ball late or to the inside shoulder when it should be to the outside shoulder.Terrible at leading his receiver.Just from watching the games, I'd say 80% his pass attempts to MHJ have been of the shytty variety.Meaning either late or off target.MHJ still should've snagged more of them bytches, tho.If he was a hands catcher.Too bad he's more of a body catcher.His hands are weak.Always has to tuck the ball into his body when trying to come down with it.Gives the DB extra time to get a hand in there.Even those two sideline attempts MHJ "dropped" late in the game were thrown late or behind him.Kyler was getting a lot of air under the ball in the 4th/OT.Straight floaters.He even missed the TE Higgins down the middle in OT.Higgins was wide open down the middle, but Kyler short armed it.Should've been an easy 15 yrd pickup.Maybe those two missed passes to MHJ would've still been caught by a more aggressive receiver...I'm just saying.For a rookie, Kyler's doing him no favors.They're just a bad mix together.

 

[IIVI]

Meanwhile, Arizona’s division rival drafted Puka Nacua with a 5th round pick pick.

This is one of the reasons why I say if you’re picking top 5 I usually favor QB, Tackle, DE or trade down.

In order:
1) Select the QB.
2) Protect the QB and push the run game.
3) Attack the QB.

That’s like the 80-20 of football.

I feel like Arizona could have pulled a heist if they traded down last year.