The Political Solution for African-Americans is Our Own Political Party

[Bawon Samedi]

There can never be a "Black peoples political party", because Black people are not a monolith. There can be a Political Party run by people who are black for people who share their ideologies though.

People are too fixated on saving all black people which is impossible and will never happen. At the end of the day people should build and work with people who have common ideologies with them, and just show common decency to blacks who do not agree with them. But for some odd reason Black people try to force everyone to have the same ideals which is simply impossible thus there is always debating and in fighting.

LOL! Tell this to the Jews. Better yet tell this to the Latinos who's population is higher than both blacks and Jews.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Precisely my point. Pro-Black activism is tepid at best within the Democratic Party.

Yes, they hate us. But we don't need to be docile and passive in the face of their hatred. We must fight back. Both openly and covertly. An African American political party would accompany covert means to achieve equality and freedom.

An African American political party would undermine any covert action. The increase in anger and suspicion would undermine the trust needed for covert operations to happen.

Being shrewd is not being docile. Like I said black people have a real problem with wanting to be out and about with shyt. Sometimes it is appropriate- for example when we are disparaged in the media we have to come together under a unified voice and speak against that kind of shyt (rather than have c00n agents who legitimize such acts). But a black political party would not be productive. Both parties respond strongly to money and pressure- neither of which we have even attempted to deploy, and neither of which we need a separate political party to utilize. No reason to reinvent the wheel.

I'd personally rather see black lobbyist groups honestly. Literally every other minority group has one, and they are almost all able to get BOTH political parties to bend to their will. It would be no different for us.

 

[Trajan]

Economy?

You're going to need a replacement for all the cac businesses and industries that will leave those states. How are you going to generate money and jobs?

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

An African American political party would undermine any covert action. The increase in anger and suspicion would undermine the trust needed for covert operations to happen.

Being shrewd is not being docile. Like I said black people have a real problem with wanting to be out and about with shyt. Sometimes it is appropriate- for example when we are disparaged in the media we have to come together under a unified voice and speak against that kind of shyt (rather than have c00n agents who legitimize such acts). But a black political party would not be productive. Both parties respond strongly to money and pressure- neither of which we have even attempted to deploy, and neither of which we need a separate political party to utilize. No reason to reinvent the wheel.

I'd personally rather see black lobbyist groups honestly. Literally every other minority group has one, and they are almost all able to get BOTH political parties to bend to their will. It would be no different for us.

First, lobby groups are "out and about" too. AIPAC and J Street for example. So your point about drawing scrutiny is moot. Anything Black people to advance ourselves draws attention.

Second, a lobby group may be less effective than a political party and is far less accountable to the people. We need increased accountability in the Black leadership class unless we want more Deray Mckessons running around while exploiting us for profit. There's a lack of democratic accountability in lobby groups money is the sole factor in that calculus.

At least with a grassroots party we check moneyed interests.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

First, lobby groups are "out and about" too. AIPAC and J Street for example. So your point about drawing scrutiny is moot. Anything Black people to advance ourselves draws attention.

Second, a lobby group may be less effective than a political party and is far less accountable to the people. We need increased accountability in the Black leadership class unless we want more Deray Mckessons running around while exploiting us for profit. There's a lack of democratic accountability in lobby groups money is the sole factor in that calculus.

At least with a grassroots party we check moneyed interests.

A black political party would be no more accountable to black people than any other entity claiming to represent black interests. Lobbyists, organizations like the NAACP & BLM, and yes, this theoretical black political party, all need money to operate, and by extension are subject to the same problems of accountability. So unless you can explain how this political party could exist and grow without financial support I'm not seeing how it would be any different.

Black political problems really come down to 3 things. One we are too thirsty for some charismatic speakers and leaders to cajole us into getting organized. Latinos, Jews, LGBT all get shyt done without political parties or their own versions of MLK. Two we waste too much fukking time talking about what we wish we could do instead of making the most of what we can do. I.e. you want a black political party, but either don't realize or intentionally dismiss the political leverage we aren't utilizing now. And three we don't have any kind of collective agenda. Lot of bad ideas floating around. nikkas still talking about reparations We need to do like the Jews. nikkas play too much. Too much chatty chatty not enough action.

 

[desjardins]

How would this work assuming current black democrat politicians stayed with that party?
They would cannibalize votes while having brand recognition with old people and church goers and financial backing from donors.
Where would politicians for this new party come from? Race is an issue but the current political culture is even more of an issue, look at cities like philly and Detroit that have been run by blacks for decades. Pure shyt with all kinds of corruption etc. I don't have an issue with a more focused party but if it's full of career politicians trying make connections and stay rich then nothing will be different

 

[Apollo Creed]

LOL! Tell this to the Jews. Better yet tell this to the Latinos who's population is higher than both blacks and Jews.

Jews gather under common idealogies which is Their religion, what are you talking about? You dont see Jews talking intersectionality like you see whites and blacks. Same with Muslims.

You can believe African americans put their Ethnicity first if you want though. If that was the case we wouldnt have these BLM threads every week about their tomfoolery.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

First, it's not strange or unethical for ethnic groups to have their own party vehicles for their political interests. African-Americans are actually an ethnic group within the United States that has been formed by the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade and shaped by the American Apartheid (Jim Crow). In other countries, ethnic groups have their own parties. In the UK, there's the Scottish Nationalist Party. In Canada, there's the Parti Quebecois. In India, there's the Sikh political party of SAD.

These ethnic groups have their own political parties because they recognize that their interests are unique and distinct. Moreover, their ability to obtain public goods and services are harmed by joining other political parties. Although African-Americans are a key voting bloc for the Democrats, very few of our concerns are addressed. Even when the US President IS a self-identified African-American (Barack Obama). We need a political party which will cater to our interests in order to gain what is ours!

Let's construct the hypothetical African-American political party.

The African Freedom Congress

Goals should be simple, for now: Increased political autonomy for African-Americans. Stronger social safety net to address poor socio-economic conditions geared towards Black people. Reparations for stolen land, labour and wealth. Increased connections with the African diaspora and African continent. Entice Black people to become the majority of states such as South Carolina, Mississippi and Georgia via migration.

The party should operate solely in municipal, gubernatorial and congressional elections.

Why not Presidential elections?
We can't win. African Americans are 13 per cent of the US population and will rise to 15 per cent by mid-century. What we can do is our political leverage in an increasingly polarizing US to move at least one major political party towards us.

Why municipal elections?
We are the demographic majority in major cities.

Why gubernatorial elections?
To protect our gains in the pockets of black political autonomy located in cities. To act as a spoiler vote similar to how we'd function during Presidential elections.

Why congressional elections?
To incentivize more legislation which will directly benefit us. They (at least one party) will need our votes in order to pass bills.

@KidStranglehold @Poitier

since when were you African american

 

[@OffHalsted]

Ridiculous... And the worst counter argument to this idea in this thread.

Otherwise Africa would have been nuked. Better yet the Caribbean.

They'll never nuke africa Africa is rich in resources & a
big ass continent.... Meanwhile a lil bum state like mississippi .....Nuke it in a heart beat..

Cacs know the value of africa breh

 

[Critical Distance]

don't let whites in.

that's all i'll say.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

They'll never nuke africa Africa is rich in resources & a
big ass continent.... Meanwhile a lil bum state like mississippi .....Nuke it in a heart beat..

Cacs know the value of africa breh

Wait that your inane counter? Ridiclous. Not only that IF black were to annex Mississippi(why only MS and not GA), why the hell would the USA nuke a country right close to it where radiation would spread???

And at MINIMUM the USA would be on thin ice globally. The USA would waste all of this because a nation is "black." By your silly logic the USA should have been nuked the Caribbean///

@MansaMusa silly argument like these ruin threads like these.

 

[Tom Foolery]

Yeah, I been said this.

This doesn't work necessarily work. You have black people in these positions and they still give the same rhetoric.

What you need to do is establish an independent political party and vote them in.

 

[WaveCapsByOscorp™]

you'll need more than just a political party. i'm tired of just hearing about what people THINK needs to be done

 

[BigMan]

Ain't you Nigerian-Canadian breh

 

[Geek Nasty]

bullshyt, if we creaee our own party we marginalize ourselves. don't believe me? When did you hear of libertarians before 2008? NEVER. Know why? Because libertarians were the marginalized extreme right wing of the Republican party. All the alex Jones types they used to keep in the basement. They kept them suppressed for 30 years; think abou thtat.

What we need to do is VOTE. Vote BIG and vote BLACK for our interests and our candidates in the Democratic party. When you've got a huge percentage of your constituents shwoing up for elections, then politicians ahve to beg for your demo's vote. Im looking at returns and we continue to marginalize ourselves by not voting while Latinos are taking our spot.