The Official Toronto Discussion Thread

[JLova]

Because our government is in bed with these corporations. Especially the big chains like Loblaws. The Trudeaus are friends with the Weston family. They’re part of the same “elite” in Canada and frequent the same circles so that won’t happen.

Just like when Loblaws was caught price gouging and fixing bread. Think about that. A billion dollar corporation that rakes in billions of dollars per year was fixing bread prices and manipulating them to profit at even greater rate while fukking me and you over. They got a slap on the wrist and had to pay back $20 in gift certifies lol no jail, no real fines, nothing. Just a cost of doing business tax after making off with billions in the scheme. This is just how Canada is and we all look the other way like pussies.

So take all you can from Em cause they’ll take from you

Canada is full of oligopolies and monopolies. They run the pockets of their citizens.

 

[MVike28]

Canada is full of oligopolies and monopolies. They run the pockets of their citizens.

White collar organized crime

 

[MikelArteta]

Which items are particularly overpriced and by how much?

everything
fruits, veggies, meat especially, milk, eggs, butter etc. etc.

a dozen eggs is like 4 dollars now

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

everything
fruits, veggies, meat especially, milk, eggs, butter etc. etc.

a dozen eggs is like 4 dollars now

More

 

[MikelArteta]

More

 

[Food Mane]

The CBC article describes the Ford government allowing privately-run medical businesses to conduct more medical procedures outside of our publicly funded medical system. Effectively making two stream healthcare (healthcare for the rich and the not-so-rich) a greater reality in Ontario.

Nah, that's not what's happening. Couple things:

1. Private businesses already deliver healthcare in Ontario. Most doctors offices are private businesses. Most testing labs are private businesses
2. Those private businesses bill OHIP directly for healthcare they deliver. You show your health card, OHIP gets the bill
3. The new rules are allowing private businesses to deliver certain surgical procedures that previously were only available in a hospital.
4. It will work exactly like it does with a doctor's office, you show your card, you get your surgery, OHIP gets the bill

There are some potential problems with this, but it doesn't help to pretend this is a grand departure into privatized healthcare.

 

[Food Mane]

Because our government is in bed with these corporations. Especially the big chains like Loblaws. The Trudeaus are friends with the Weston family. They’re part of the same “elite” in Canada and frequent the same circles so that won’t happen.

Just like when Loblaws was caught price gouging and fixing bread. Think about that. A billion dollar corporation that rakes in billions of dollars per year was fixing bread prices and manipulating them to profit at even greater rate while fukking me and you over. They got a slap on the wrist and had to pay back $20 in gift certifies lol no jail, no real fines, nothing. Just a cost of doing business tax after making off with billions in the scheme. This is just how Canada is and we all look the other way like pussies.

So take all you can from Em cause they’ll take from you

Supply chain management is another great example of our government siding with wealthy food producers over people. We get gouged on the price of milk, eggs and cheese to protect the profits of (mostly Quebec) dairy farms. And don't think these are small Farmer Bob family run operations. We're talking giant industrial operations.

 

[MikelArteta]

Nah, that's not what's happening. Couple things:

1. Private businesses already deliver healthcare in Ontario. Most doctors offices are private businesses. Most testing labs are private businesses
2. Those private businesses bill OHIP directly for healthcare they deliver. You show your health card, OHIP gets the bill
3. The new rules are allowing private businesses to deliver certain surgical procedures that previously were only available in a hospital.
4. It will work exactly like it does with a doctor's office, you show your card, you get your surgery, OHIP gets the bill

There are some potential problems with this, but it doesn't help to pretend this is a grand departure into privatized healthcare.

Doctor offices are not really private businesses. Any physician billing the private system is prohibited from working in any hospital or clinic that receives public money under the Canada Health Act.

A private health business is like Medcan

 

[Food Mane]

Doctor offices are not really private businesses. Any physician billing the private system is prohibited from working in any hospital or clinic that receives public money under the Canada Health Act.

A private health business is like Medcan

Yes, they are. Almost all of them. Check out this OMA press release, it's talking about tax rates but it does a great job of breaking down how doctors in Ontario structure their businesses.

Ontario’s Doctors Issue Call: Make Tax Policy Fair for Doctors and Small Business

www.oma.org

 

[thatrapsfan]

everything
fruits, veggies, meat especially, milk, eggs, butter etc. etc.

a dozen eggs is like 4 dollars now

Dairy production is subsidized and there a huge tariffs on dairy imports, thats why. Dairy farmers are an important political constituency in Quebec, so every politician panders to them and wont get rid of supply management.

If tariffs were lower, prices would drop overnight, we have a huge dairy market to our south.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Nah, that's not what's happening. Couple things:

1. Private businesses already deliver healthcare in Ontario. Most doctors offices are private businesses. Most testing labs are private businesses
2. Those private businesses bill OHIP directly for healthcare they deliver. You show your health card, OHIP gets the bill
3. The new rules are allowing private businesses to deliver certain surgical procedures that previously were only available in a hospital.
4. It will work exactly like it does with a doctor's office, you show your card, you get your surgery, OHIP gets the bill

There are some potential problems with this, but it doesn't help to pretend this is a grand departure into privatized healthcare.

Agreed, this is scaremongering from opposition.

As long as the user doesnt pay out of pocket, why should I care where the service is delivered?

 

[MikelArteta]

Yes, they are. Almost all of them. Check out this OMA press release, it's talking about tax rates but it does a great job of breaking down how doctors in Ontario structure their businesses.

Ontario’s Doctors Issue Call: Make Tax Policy Fair for Doctors and Small Business

www.oma.org

 

[MikelArteta]

Dairy production is subsidized and there a huge tariffs on dairy imports, thats why. Dairy farmers are an important political constituency in Quebec, so every politician panders to them and wont get rid of supply management.

If tariffs were lower, prices would drop overnight, we have a huge dairy market to our south.

I remember prior covid when I'd go to the states you could get like a dozen eggs for like 40 cents at Walmart. Googling now I even see eggs are more expensive in us than in Canada now

 

[thatrapsfan]

I remember prior covid when I'd go to the states you could get like a dozen eggs for like 40 cents at Walmart. Googling now I even see eggs are more expensive in us than in Canada now

For real? I did notice that eating out in the States is way more expensive that I was accustomed to when I was in DC a few months ago.

Nobody is safe

 

[MikelArteta]

For real? I did notice that eating out in the States is way more expensive that I was accustomed to when I was in DC a few months ago.

Nobody is safe

Yup

60 CT box was $4.60 in 2020 at Walmart in america. Jumped to $18 last year now it's $23 currently