The Official "Thor: Love & Thunder" Thread

[Gizmo_Duck]

Marvel films will have big opening weekends just off the strength of being Marvel. but if it's actually a good film, word of mouth will drive people who usually wait for streaming or don't watch at all to the theaters in the second week. Maybe even join them for repeat viewing. i get the feeling nobody left this movie telling all their friends that they have to see this.

Yep, bad worth of mouth, and no repeated viewings sink movies like this.

In my usual marvel hive half of them still haven’t seen this. I think a lot of people are gonna wait for streaming. A lot of the marvel movies in phase 4 don’t really have that “must see it asap to avoid spoilers” feeling. Theres nothing immediate about this movies because they don’t feel connected to anything bigger

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Neo

MarvelSet just wants everything cleared up on your side.

MarvelSet can’t be attached to any controversy

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Everything you said in this post is wrong.

Female Loki can exist because she was taken from her timeline, which was pruned and then escaped before suffering the same fate by travelling between nexus events. I explained it in the post you quoted but images are sometimes stronger than words:


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Was that an illusion? An hallucination? No. It's a flashback. So yes, there can be a female Loki without a multiverse. That's the basic premise of the series. Variants pop up, and get pruned with their bogus timelines, or integrated into the TVA. No multiverse thanks to the pruning.

The TVA didn't have a fake goal and the entire story nor the video was fake. The only fake parts were the Time Keepers' true identity, what happens to people who get pruned and the origin of the TVA workers. Their role was real: operate as the active force of He Who Remains (they believed it was the Time Keepers) in order to protect the main timeline by pruning others. The story is real: a multiversal war really happened, as narrated by He Who Remains ( in the last episode, and the unification of the timeline prevented it to ever happen again by destroying the multiverse.


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"Once I figured our timeline, all I had to do was manage the flow of time, and prevent further branches. Hence the TVA." From the lion's mouth.

At no point in the series is there a single mention or implication of "as long as a universe doesn't result in a creation of Kang it doesn't get pruned and can exist just fine". It doesn't even make sense with a basic understanding of the final episode, because of this:

There is only one timeline looping around itself, the main one, overseen by He Who Remains. If "a universe doesn't result in a creation of Kang it doesn't get pruned and can exist just fine", as you say, then you would see multiple (an infinity really) of those alternative timelines you describe branching all over the place. But you don't, because the TVA, whose role is real, prune it and maintain a single timeline. That's the whole point of the show.

After Sylvie kills He Who Remains, you see the timeline branching uncontrollably

resulting in a multiverse.

Yep. This is obvious to anyone who watched the show. It amazes me how ppl watch things and make up their own storyline especially when they went to great pains to explain it in the show.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Just read that the Guardians was supposed to be in the movie more…. Maybe come back in the end for the final battle.

But they thought that too many Marvel movies have done the “Calvary” thing in recent times and just changed it to Jane coming

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Oh I don't know if this brought up in this thread yet (I'm sure it has ) but this by far was the gayest marvel movie to date. Even I was like damn they're doing a lot.

"Even I"

Care to explain, brotha?

 

[Lootpack]

Just read that the Guardians was supposed to be in the movie more…. Maybe come back in the end for the final battle.

But they thought that too many Marvel movies have done the “Calvary” thing in recent times and just changed it to Jane coming

Glad they changed it, even if the final fight we got was still a bit silly. I never gave a fukk about the Guardians in this film, so them swooping in at the end on their Interference Orton shyt would have been just as dumb.

 

[Ironman]

In regards to the Guardians...that scene was terrible they phoned it the fukk in man

Glad they changed it, even if the final fight we got was still a bit silly. I never gave a fukk about the Guardians in this film, so them swooping in at the end on their Interference Orton shyt would have been just as dumb.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

yes


no. an empty set of shoes ....






"led to" ... not in the traditional time-ordered sense.

when HWR died all of the existing time-line changed at the same time (because as time is a loop this includes things which in the human-arrow-of-time sense appear to be in the past) and branches start happening everywhere.

remember that the universal war that MM spoke about may be in the "past" for the TVA but may well be in the "simple" future for the marvel timeline i.e. post 2025.

the way HWR talks about it, it would seem so.

HWR was living at "the end of time" after all, so everything was in his relative past.



you could but that is not the case.

i'm not getting into the MM truth/lies/whateva arguments but suffice to say this

Why doesn't what you said about the multiverse apply to the pair of shoes? If I understand you correctly, a multiverse is a set of universes that is still a multiverse even if there is no universe to speak of. A pair of shoes is a set of two shoes and should then still be a pair of shoes even if there is no shoe to speak of.

Even if Sylvie's actions happened at the end of time or outside of it, they effectively led to the creation of the multiverse as a direct cause leads to a consequence. The perceptions of time you're talking about here I don't disagree with but I don't see their relevance to my point. Yes, since Sylvie acts outside of time and affects it immediately in its entirety, to somebody evolving in a timeline, it'd be like the multiverse always existed. That doesn't change the fact that Sylvie is the cause for the multiverse, the consequence.

 

[null]

Why doesn't what you said about the multiverse apply to the pair of shoes? If I understand you correctly, a multiverse is a set of universes that is still a multiverse even if there is no universe to speak of. A pair of shoes is a set of two shoes and should then still be a pair of shoes even if there is no shoe to speak of.

a set != a pair. mathematics.

Empty set - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even if Sylvie's actions happened at the end of time or outside of it, they effectively led to the creation of the multiverse as a direct cause leads to a consequence. The perceptions of time you're talking about here I don't disagree with but I don't see their relevance to my point. Yes, since Sylvie acts outside of time and affects it immediately in its entirety, to somebody evolving in a timeline, it'd be like the multiverse always existed. That doesn't change the fact that Sylvie is the cause for the multiverse, the consequence.

that's true in one sense but the multivese was and is always the multiverse.

separate state from "etre" ...

 

[Jazzy B.]

she was taken from her timeline

Which is an alternate universe


Thus showing you that the multiverse existed prior to the events Loki.

Otherwise she cannot even exist in the first place.

Just like with this breh who is an alternate universe Loki.

or this version of Loki

At no point in the series is there a single mention or implication of "as long as a universe doesn't result in a creation of Kang it doesn't get pruned and can exist just fine". It doesn't even make sense with a basic understanding of the final episode, because of this:

You literally ignored everything he said prior which it explain that:

"However not every version of me, was so pure of heart, some of us, new worlds only meant one thing, for worlds to be conquered, the peace between realities erupted into all out war, each Variant fighting to preserve their universe and annihilate the others. This was almost the end for everything and everyone"

That's his motivation. Literally. To stop other versions of himself being created which happens in certain universes when they branch off a certain way.

Steve Rogers creates an alternate universe when he travels back in time and lives out with Peggy Carter. That universe was allowed to exist and did not get pruned.

The Old Loki escaped Thanos and didn't die on the ship like how Loki is supposed to and instead lived on a planet for years until he got old. This is a divergence yet he was allowed to live and that universe was allowed to exist. Until he tries to leave the planet which somehow leads to Kang forming in that universe which is why they only come for him then and not immediately after he branched off.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

a set != a pair. mathematics.

Empty set - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

that's true in one sense but the multivese was and is always the multiverse.

separate state from "etre" ...

A pair is indeed a set in mathematics and set theory.

"In mathematics, an unordered pair or pair set is a set of the form {a, b}"
Unordered pair - Wikipedia

"If one agrees that set theory is an appealing foundation of mathematics, then all mathematical objects must be defined as sets of some sort. Hence if the ordered pair is not taken as primitive, it must be defined as a set.[5] Several set-theoretic definitions of the ordered pair are given below( see also [6])."
Ordered pair - Wikipedia

 

[null]

A pair is indeed a set in mathematics and set theory.

then you would have to say a set of pairs. not an individual single pair because it is defined as having a specificly sized non-empty set of elements - 2.

there is no null set with an individual pair.

there is a null set with a set of pairs.

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do you agree that the sorceror supreme asked stange: ~"who do you think you are in this multiverse" way back in DS 1?

 

[MischievousMonkey]

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I agree. I'm wrong and you're right. The main timeline is constituted of a collection of baseline alternate realities that can be considered a multiverse.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

We got a full blown multiverse discussion these last two pages, did anyone actually care about this Thor movie at all?

 

[Conz]

We got a full blown multiverse discussion these last two pages, did anyone actually care about this Thor movie at all?

no matter how much people say shyt like "let the movies stand on their own," all we want is to continue watching the Marvel TV show.