The Official "Thor: Love & Thunder" Thread

[RageKage]

Saw it today, perfect Thor movie as we have come to know them. fun movie. Love the goats.

 

[Lootpack]

Didn't get the chance to see Dune in theaters. Saw it yesterday on HBOMax and....

My God THAT is how special effects and setpieces should look. Not blatant looking CGI and Greenscreens, but look REAL. I see why it won the Oscars it did. That shyt was AMAZING.

AND the movie was dope.

I won't make the same mistake and will see Dune 2 in theaters next year.

shyt, I’m sure you’ll get the opportunity to catch Part 1 in theaters too. They’re definitely gonna be running it back come 2023.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

That means there were other multiverses before Loki.

If someone loses a child at birth then has another, it’s not true to say they only had one child.

Ok. There was no multiverse during the eternity of time between Kang's unification of the timeline and Loki's creation of the multiverse.

 

[Json]

Ok. There was no multiverse during the eternity of time between Kang's unification of the timeline and Loki's creation of the multiverse.

But the point the other poster was making was those multiverses created after that point aren’t Loki’s creation.

It’s the original multiverses reasserting itself. That’s why the dream walking in MoM is an old technique cause it existed before Kang unified the timeline.

 

[humminbird]

I hated the book but I only hear good shyt about the movie. I gotta check it out

dune was good and a very majestic film

 

[MischievousMonkey]

But the point the other poster was making was those multiverses created after that point aren’t Loki’s creation.

It’s the original multiverses reasserting itself. That’s why the dream walking in MoM is an old technique cause it existed before Kang unified the timeline.

He was wrong. If I go back to your metaphor of somebody, let's say a mother, losing a child and I come around and give her a new one, I created that child (with her). It's not a child or life reasserting itself.

We don't know if the dream walking technique existed before Kang unified the timeline. The only thing we know before that event is that there was a multiversal war that led to He Who Remains winning. After Female Loki killing him and creating a multiverse by doing so, Kang The Conqueror is this time the one who won, which necessarily implies that the two multiverses are different and lead to different outcomes.

What we do know about that technique is that it necessarily didn't exist during He Who Remains' administration. No multiverse, no multiversal possession. Sylvia ending his life led to the creation of a multiverse and only then can the dream walking technique be discovered, work, and grow old by the time the events of Dr Strange 2 happen in our timeline.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Yeah the OW's are still big but there's a lot of frontloading going on. Another movie with a 67% drop. Against no competition. it's Summer.. people should be in that bih but they not because the word of mouth ain't hittn..

To me... They should have played the tone differently. Everyone probably agrees that Bale as the butcher was the best most engaging aspect.. but you cannot have those drastic tonal shifts.

They needed to show him go all out destroying Gods and play up the Jane/Thor dynamic more dramatically..

Do you lose some of your under 13 audience? Maybe.. but you get it bacc through repeat viewings and stronger WOM

 

[LordDeathwatch]

Saw it today, perfect Thor movie as we have come to know them. fun movie. Love the goats.

Breh, Thor is better than me, I would have turned those hoes into curry a day into it with all that screaming.

 

[Rekkapryde]

I hated the book but I only hear good shyt about the movie. I gotta check it out

I was a big fan of the terrible 1984 version has a kid

But this new one obliterates that shyt.

Dog, the fukkin visuals are NUTS. THAT'S the quality of effects that should be standard today.

 

[Jazzy B.]

That's not true. There was no multiverse before the Loki series since Kang united it in a single timeline. The whole point of the TVA is to prevent the apparition of another multiverse by pruning alternative timelines before they develop. Female Loki only exists because she escaped before being pruned and survived by hiding behind catastrophic events that acted as natural prunings.

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Also, @1:10 they clearly reiterate that there is no multiverse and that their job is to prevent one from being born.

The whole point of both Lokis' decision in the finale was to accept to take Kang's role and prevent a multiverse from happening by looking over the timeline, or kill him, which would create a multiverse in which Kangs would war against each other and take back the throne anyway.

Without female Loki killing Kang, there would be no multiverse, and none of the events of No Way Home or Doctor Strange 2 could have happened. They can't be unrelated in-story since they're based on the multiverse the Lokis provoked. The fact that they didn't reference the show or even knew about is irrelevant in the same way a prequel doesn't have to be referenced by an original movie to be connected to it. I doubt phases' management happen at the level of individual directors anyway.

The fact is there is a clear connective tissue in this phase 4 and we'll never see eye-to-eye on this if we can't even agree on main plot points.

If there's no multiverse before, then there can't be a female Loki who even exists in the first place

Sylvie is an alternate version of Loki from another universe.

The TVA had a fake goal. Their entire story was fake along with that video.

The real goal and purpose was to prevent timelines where other Kangs end up being created because they previously caused a multiversal war. Anyone who comes from a timeline where this happens their universe gets pruned/destroyed.

As long as a universe doesn't result in a creation of Kang it doesn't get pruned and can exist just fine.

These are the universes we see in No Way Home and Doc Strange 2 and why the multiverse storylines in both movies have zero to do with what happened in Loki and have no need to even reference it.

 

[Mission249]

Moving the goalposts. You were saying that all the movies do was dropping the word "multiverse" when their entire plot is based on its workings.

Nah. I was being hyperbolic to make a point and you took it literally cause my tone didn't come across online or you're just trying to win an internet argument.

Whether Spider-Man and Dr Strange writers knew about the Loki series is irrelevant. Prequels often come out without the original writers knowing about them and they're still connected and necessary lore-wise.

It's still weak. Like me making a movie about the origin of the oxygen then telling everyone my movie was the prequel to all other movies where people breathe.

Look, even with the Star Wars prequels, the writers knew enough about what came after to tie things together in significant ways. These phase 4 properties were created in parallel and the writers had no idea what the other was doing. That matters. It was apparent. Hence me saying it's no better than them each shouting the word "multiverse" and calling it a day.

I'm sure it'll get better with time. And I'd even be happy if there was no tie in at all, if they knocked out good standalone stories. But let's not pretend right now we have this great, significantly cohesive thing happening.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

If there's no multiverse before, then there can't be a female Loki who even exists in the first place

Sylvie is an alternate version of Loki from another universe.

The TVA had a fake goal. Their entire story was fake along with that video.

The real goal and purpose was to prevent timelines where other Kangs end up being created because they previously caused a multiversal war. Anyone who comes from a timeline where this happens their universe gets pruned/destroyed.

As long as a universe doesn't result in a creation of Kang it doesn't get pruned and can exist just fine.

These are the universes we see in No Way Home and Doc Strange 2 and why the multiverse storylines in both movies have zero to do with what happened in Loki and have no need to even reference it.

Everything you said in this post is wrong.

Female Loki can exist because she was taken from her timeline, which was pruned and then escaped before suffering the same fate by travelling between nexus events. I explained it in the post you quoted but images are sometimes stronger than words:


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Was that an illusion? An hallucination? No. It's a flashback. So yes, there can be a female Loki without a multiverse. That's the basic premise of the series. Variants pop up, and get pruned with their bogus timelines, or integrated into the TVA. No multiverse thanks to the pruning.

The TVA didn't have a fake goal and the entire story nor the video was fake. The only fake parts were the Time Keepers' true identity, what happens to people who get pruned and the origin of the TVA workers. Their role was real: operate as the active force of He Who Remains (they believed it was the Time Keepers) in order to protect the main timeline by pruning others. The story is real: a multiversal war really happened, as narrated by He Who Remains ( in the last episode, and the unification of the timeline prevented it to ever happen again by destroying the multiverse.


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"Once I figured our timeline, all I had to do was manage the flow of time, and prevent further branches. Hence the TVA." From the lion's mouth.

At no point in the series is there a single mention or implication of "as long as a universe doesn't result in a creation of Kang it doesn't get pruned and can exist just fine". It doesn't even make sense with a basic understanding of the final episode, because of this:

There is only one timeline looping around itself, the main one, overseen by He Who Remains. If "a universe doesn't result in a creation of Kang it doesn't get pruned and can exist just fine", as you say, then you would see multiple (an infinity really) of those alternative timelines you describe branching all over the place. But you don't, because the TVA, whose role is real, prune it and maintain a single timeline. That's the whole point of the show.

After Sylvie kills He Who Remains, you see the timeline branching uncontrollably

resulting in a multiverse.

 

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resulting in a multiverse.

a multiverse with one timeline is a still a multiverse

A is the set of all things which do not exist in any sense of the word

A = {  }

just like an empty set is still a set of things

 

[MischievousMonkey]

Nah. I was being hyperbolic to make a point and you took it literally cause my tone didn't come across online or you're just trying to win an internet argument.

It's still weak. Like me making a movie about the origin of the oxygen then telling everyone my movie was the prequel to all other movies where people breathe.

Look, even with the Star Wars prequels, the writers knew enough about what came after to tie things together in significant ways. These phase 4 properties were created in parallel and the writers had no idea what the other was doing. That matters. It was apparent. Hence me saying it's no better than them each shouting the word "multiverse" and calling it a day.

I'm sure it'll get better with time. And I'd even be happy if there was no tie in at all, if they knocked out good standalone stories. But let's not pretend right now we have this great, significantly cohesive thing happening.

Your tone didn't come across for me, so I just go off your words. From my perspective, you're the one trying to have an internet argument. But whatever.

If you think phase 4's narrative cohesion is weak or poorly managed, cool. That's not what I'm contending. I'm saying that there is definitely a connective tissue, and that's whether you find it weak or strong.

Having two huge movies with their entire plots based on the multiverse and a series explaining how that multiverse came about in-lore, is just undeniable connection to me, even if you find it lame. Personally, I don't, even though I'm not saying it's the best thing ever .

I think Ant-Man will definitely add onto this foundation.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

a multiverse with one timeline is a still a multiverse

A is the set of all things which do not exist in any sense of the word

A = {  }

just like an empty set is still a set of things

"A multiverse with one timeline" is nonsensical, since the universes are just different timelines that branched out.