The Official Socialism/Democratic Socialism/Communism/Marxism Thread

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2012 Legatum Prosperity Index Rankings:

1 Norway

2 Denmark

3 Sweden

4 Australia

5 New Zealand

6 Canada

7 Finland

8 Netherlands

9 Switzerland

10 Ireland

11 Luxembourg

12 United States

13 United Kingdom

14 Germany

15 Iceland

Poor Socialist countries; Their people seem to be starving and standing in line for rations.

http://www.prosperity.com/Ranking.aspx

 

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What’s Norway got that the rest of the world doesn’t? For one thing, a stunning per capita GDP of $57,000 a year. Norwegians have the second-highest level of satisfaction with their standards of living: 95% say they are satisfied with the freedom to choose the direction of their lives; an unparalleled 74% say other people can be trusted. It sure doesn’t hurt that the massive Norwegian welfare state is bankrolled by high taxes and big reserves of offshore oil and gas.

Someone help those poor people. We should go there and liberate them and their oil.

They are literally starving.

#dap dis if u want 2 save norway people. ignore to not help dem

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

that star war.

Didnt realize how 'libertarian' this forum had become lately...

Good litmus test topic though, and I thought serious aka @TheReal_Broke_88m3_13 was a liberal.. ...

Got some dope video lectures when I get home

 

[TheReal_Broke_88m3_13]

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[DEAD7]

2012 Legatum Prosperity Index Rankings:



Poor Socialist countries; Their people seem to be starving and standing in line for rations.

http://www.prosperity.com/Ranking.aspx

Side by side comparisons of nations are misleading... but its worth asking,

How are minorities doing in these countries?

 

[TheReal_Broke_88m3_13]

Side by side comparisons of nations are misleading... but its worth asking,

How are minorities doing in these countries?

Xenophobia

 

[DEAD7]

 

[The Real]

Side by side comparisons of nations are misleading... but its worth asking,

How are minorities doing in these countries?

You bring up an important point. The best comparisons are with Canada and Sweden, which both have more diversity and immigration than the other "most Socialist" countries.

It's well-known at this point that Hitler was not a Socialist. The point of calling the party "National Socialist" and spouting such rhetoric was to lure people away from actual Socialism by pretending the Nazis were Socialists, too. He specifically and explicitly says this in Mein Kampf. When Hitler came to power, he banned and purged all Communist and Socialist organizations in the country, because they were some of the strongest opposition to his agenda. The evidence is all there- just look at what he actually did. He didn't nationalize the banks or any industries. In fact, the way he garnered support from the German aristocracy (the elite families, that is) was by promising them that they'd retain control over the economy under his government, which turned out to be true. He abolished all labor unions, too.

Fascism historically is a mixture of state control over the economy and capitalism with certain strands of political conservatism. OG fascists like Mussolini praised "heroic capitalism" and made sure the profit motive was still the driving force behind the economy. Same goes for Hitler.

Fascism /= socialism, just like fascism/= capitalism.

 

[marleyg]

that hitlers sh*ts a lie , hitlers politics [fascism] are on the opposite side of the spectrum as socialism

 

[DEAD7]

Fascism /= socialism, just like fascism/= capitalism.

Fair enough. i saw he was being labeled a capitalist and thought we were throwing facts out the window and mud slinging... my fault.

 

[DEAD7]

and lets stop calling chattel slavery capitalist or a result of capitalism.

 

[NotaPAWG]

"When everyone is to cultivate himself into man, condemning a man to machine-like labour amounts to the same thing as slavery . . . Every labour is to have the intent that the man be satisfied. Therefore he must become a master in it too, be able to perform it as a totality. He who in a pin-factory only puts on heads, only draws the wire, works, as it were mechanically, like a machine; he remains half-trained, does not become a master: his labour cannot satisfy him, it can only fatigue him. His labour is nothing by itself, has no object in itself, is nothing complete in itself; he labours only into another's hands, and is used (exploited) by this other".- Stirner

 

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and lets stop calling chattel slavery capitalist or a result of capitalism.

Why?

It is. There is no denying it.

 

[PikaDaDon]

The hope to engage in a meaningful dialogue with a socialist is complete folly as it's a complete waste of time and effort. Many socialists, although ripened with good intentions, are grossly misguided and uninformed.

 

[DEAD7]

Why?

It is. There is no denying it.

No slavery predates any form of government/economy, attempting to attribute it to capitalism is ridiculous.

That said, it was/is government, not capitalism that allowed slavery.