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Why the Working Class?

Workers are at the heart of the capitalist system. And that’s why they are at the center of socialist politics.


by Vivek Chibber
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Workers at a fruit packing plant in Italy. Giancarlo / Flickr

Most people know that socialists place the working class at the center of their political vision. But why exactly? When I put this question to students or even to activists, I get a range of answers, but the most common response is a moral one — socialists think that workers suffer the most under capitalism, making their plight the most important issue to focus on.

Now it is true, of course, that workers face all sorts of indignities and material deprivation, and any movement for social justice has to take this as a central issue. But if this is all there is to it, if this is the only reason we should focus on class, the argument falls apart pretty easily.

After all, there are lots of groups who suffer indignities and injustices — racial minorities, women, the disabled. Why single out workers? Why not just say that every marginal and oppressed group ought to be at the heart of socialist strategy?

Yet there is more to the focus on class than just the moral argument. The reason socialists believe that class organizing has to be at the center of a viable political strategy also has to do with two other practical factors: a diagnosis of what the sources of injustice are in modern society, and a prognosis of what are the best levers for change in a more progressive direction.

Capitalism Won’t Deliver
There are many things that people need to lead decent lives. But two items are absolutely essential. The first is some guarantee of material security — things like having an income, housing, and basic health care. The second is being free of social domination — if you are under someone else’s control, if they make many of the key decisions for you, then you are constantly vulnerable to abuse.

So, in a society in which most people don’t have job security, or have jobs but can’t pay their bills, in which they have to submit to other people’s control, in which they don’t have a voice in how laws and regulations are made — it’s impossible to achieve social justice.

Capitalism is an economic system that depends on depriving the vast majority of people of these essential preconditions for a decent life. Workers show up for work every day knowing that they have little job security; they are paid what employers feel is consistent with their main priority, which is making profits, not the well-being of employees; they work at a pace and duration that is set by their bosses; and they submit to these conditions, not because they want to, but because for most of them, the alternative to accepting these conditions is not having a job at all. This is not some incidental or marginal aspect of capitalism. It is the defining feature of the system.

Economic and political power is in the hands of capitalists, whose only goal is to maximize profits, which means that the condition of workers is, at best, a secondary concern to them. And that means that the system is, at its very core, unjust.

Holding the Lever
It follows that the first step to making our society more humane and fair is to reduce the insecurity and material deprivation in so many people’s lives, and to increase their scope for self-determination. But we immediately run into a problem — the political resistance of elites.

Power is not distributed equally in capitalism. Capitalists decide who is hired and fired, and who works for how long, not workers. Capitalists also have the most political power, because they can do things like lobby, fund political campaigns, and bankroll political parties.

And since they are the ones who benefit from the system, why should they encourage changes in it, changes that inevitably mean a diminution in their power and their bottom line? The answer is, they don’t take very kindly to challenges, and they do their best to maintain the status quo.

Movements for progressive reform have found time and again that whenever they try to push for changes in the direction of justice, they come up against the power of capital.

Any reforms that require a redistribution of income, or come from the government as a social measure — whether it’s health care,environmental regulations, minimum wages, or job programs — are routinely opposed by the wealthy, because any such measures inevitably mean a reduction in their income (as taxes) or their profits.

What this means is that progressive reform efforts have to find a source of leverage, a source of power that will enable them to overcome the resistance of the capitalist class and its political functionaries.

The working class has this power, for a simple reason — capitalists can only make their profits if workers show up to work every day, and if they refuse to play along, the profits dry up overnight. And if there is one thing that catches employers’ attention, it’s when the money stops flowing.

Actions like strikes don’t just have the potential to bring particular capitalists to their knees, they can have an impact far beyond, on layer after layer of other institutions that directly or indirectly depend on them — including the government.

This ability to crash the entire system, just by refusing to work, gives workers a kind of leverage that no other group in society has, except capitalists themselves.

This is why, if progressive social change requires overcoming capitalist opposition — and we have learned over three centuries that it does — then it is of central importance to organize workers so that they can use that power.

Workers are therefore not only a social group that is systematically oppressed and exploited in modern society, they are also the group best positioned to enact real change and extract concessions from the major center of power — the bankers and industrialists who run the system.

They are the group that comes into contact with capitalists every day and are tied in a perennial conflict with them as a part of their very existence. They are the only group that has to take on capital if they want to improve their lives. There is no more logical force to organize a political movement around.

And this isn’t just a theory. If we look back at the conditions in which far-reaching reforms have been passed over the past hundred years, reforms which improved the material conditions of the poor, or which gave them more rights against the market — they were invariably based on working-class mobilization. This is true not only with the “color-blind” measures of the welfare state, but even with such phenomena as civil rights and the struggle for the vote.

Any movement that extended benefits to the poor, whether they were black or white, male or female, had to base itself on a mobilization of working people. This was true in Europe and the Global South as much as it was in the United States.

It is this power to extract real concessions from capital that makes the working class so important for political strategy. Of course, the fact that workers also form the majority in every capitalist society and that they are systematically exploited only makes their plight all the more pressing. This combination of moral urgency and strategic force is what places the working class at the center of socialist politics.
 

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Sorry breh but you're completely off base. I was born in Moscow and my family has gone through Lenin, Stalin, and the rest of the Communists. Russia in no way, shape, or form "wasn't a bad place to be". The government held all of the power and was corrupt. The general public lived well below the means of the country. Every single Russian I talk to now, loves that the country went capitalist. There's no such thing as the glory days for the common person in post-Stalin Russia.

Believe it or not, a lot of the positive attributes about the Soviet Union came from the CIA, especially later on. The CIA and US Military had a lot to gain from portraying the Soviet Union as powerful and stable when it was anything but in the late 70s and 80s. It was already collapsing.
 

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I don't understand why people cant just say that the Soviet Union or Cuba are failed states. It doesn't mean everything they did is bad, but there was a lot of fukked up, autocratic bullshyt. The public elites replaced the private elites. This is the socialism you want to defend?

You think Fidel or Raul Castro is living like some worker? You think Stalin lived like his factory workers?

Please stop.
 

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I don't understand why people cant just say that the Soviet Union or Cuba are failed states. It doesn't mean everything they did is bad, but there was a lot of fukked up, autocratic bullshyt. The public elites replaced the private elites. This is the socialism you want to defend?

You think Fidel or Raul Castro is living like some worker? You think Stalin lived like his factory workers?

Please stop.

I mean, what is a "failed state?"

Both the Soviet Union and Cuba made some gains and achieved some accomplishments. But, on the whole, the working class is not liberated in either. There was/is no worker ownership or control of the means of production. So, when it comes to socialism, they are failures... but also valuable learning experiences. It's only through struggle that the working class and oppressed people can uncover the path forward
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I do agree with the sentiment of your post, but I don't think we need to acquiesce to the Right and throw under the bus these historical experiences and whatever accomplishments accompanied them.
 

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I mean, what is a "failed state?"

Both the Soviet Union and Cuba made some gains and achieved some accomplishments. But, on the whole, the working class is not liberated in either. There was/is no worker ownership or control of the means of production. So, when it comes to socialism, they are failures... but also valuable learning experiences. It's only through struggle that the working class and oppressed people can uncover the path forward
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I do agree with the sentiment of your post, but I don't think we need to acquiesce to the Right and throw under the bus these historical experiences and whatever accomplishments accompanied them.

That's what I was saying. Eat the meat and spit out the bone (no homo on both counts).

But when I hear Socialists or Communists praise Cuba or the Soviet Union as if they were/are some bastion of freedom for the working class I can't help but roll my fukking eyes back into my brain. It's such naive and wishful thinking.
 

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That's what I was saying. Eat the meat and spit out the bone (no homo on both counts).

But when I hear Socialists or Communists praise Cuba or the Soviet Union as if they were/are some bastion of freedom for the working class I can't help but roll my fukking eyes back into my brain. It's such naive and wishful thinking.

Cuba's predicament was a self fulfilling prophecy thanks to US human rights violations.:yeshrug:
 

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Cuba's predicament was a self fulfilling prophecy thanks to US human rights violations.:yeshrug:
Capitalists always build the strawman..."well look at soviet russia, china..." when talking about failed socialist ideologies.

They fail to recognize the impact capitalism and geopolitcs played in the development in those countries. Furhermore...they were certainly led by interesting characters that unfortunately took advantage of said system...much like how we view our capitalist overlords.

I for one would like to see a socialist regime lead by someone altruistic take the reigns for a while...a soft deployment if you will...wont happen tho
 

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Capitalists always build the strawman..."well look at soviet russia, china..." when talking about failed socialist ideologies.

They fail to recognize the impact capitalism and geopolitcs played in the development in those countries. Furhermore...they were certainly led by interesting characters that unfortunately took advantage of said system...much like how we view our capitalist overlords.

I for one would like to see a socialist regime lead by someone altruistic take the reigns for a while...a soft deployment if you will...wont happen tho

Thats the hallmark of capitalist when discussing "socialist" regimes. I wouldn't even consider the Soviet Union much of a socialist government anyway.

I think a decentralized political and industrial democracy has a real chance. Integrate the average individual as an equal opportunity investor in the government and societal corporations
 
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I mean, what is a "failed state?"

Both the Soviet Union and Cuba made some gains and achieved some accomplishments. But, on the whole, the working class is not liberated in either. There was/is no worker ownership or control of the means of production. So, when it comes to socialism, they are failures... but also valuable learning experiences. It's only through struggle that the working class and oppressed people can uncover the path forward
1j2u8.jpg



I do agree with the sentiment of your post, but I don't think we need to acquiesce to the Right and throw under the bus these historical experiences and whatever accomplishments accompanied them.

20 Reasons to Support Cuba - Invent the Future

Context and an understanding of imperialism/the Cuban revolution moving into Cold War geopolitics makes what Cuba has achieved so much more significant. Same with the USSR/Communist China (up to a certain point) and Africa, etc etc.

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Marx's letter to Abraham Lincoln

The International Workingmen's Association 1864

Address of the International Working Men's Association to Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States of America
Presented to U.S. Ambassador Charles Francis Adams
January 28, 1865 [A]

Written: by Marx between November 22 & 29, 1864
First Published: The Bee-Hive Newspaper, No. 169, November 7, 1865;
Transcription/Markup: Zodiac/Brian Baggins;
Online Version: Marx & Engels Internet Archive (marxists.org) 2000.



Sir:

We congratulate the American people upon your re-election by a large majority. If resistance to the Slave Power was the reserved watchword of your first election, the triumphant war cry of your re-election is Death to Slavery.

From the commencement of the titanic American strife the workingmen of Europe felt instinctively that the star-spangled banner carried the destiny of their class. The contest for the territories which opened the dire epopee, was it not to decide whether the virgin soil of immense tracts should be wedded to the labor of the emigrant or prostituted by the tramp of the slave driver?

When an oligarchy of 300,000 slaveholders dared to inscribe, for the first time in the annals of the world, "slavery" on the banner of Armed Revolt, when on the very spots where hardly a century ago the idea of one great Democratic Republic had first sprung up, whence the first Declaration of the Rights of Man was issued, and the first impulse given to the European revolution of the eighteenth century; when on those very spots counterrevolution, with systematic thoroughness, gloried in rescinding "the ideas entertained at the time of the formation of the old constitution", and maintained slavery to be "a beneficent institution", indeed, the old solution of the great problem of "the relation of capital to labor", and cynically proclaimed property in man "the cornerstone of the new edifice" — then the working classes of Europe understood at once, even before the fanatic partisanship of the upper classes for the Confederate gentry had given its dismal warning, that the slaveholders' rebellion was to sound the tocsin for a general holy crusade of property against labor, and that for the men of labor, with their hopes for the future, even their past conquests were at stake in that tremendous conflict on the other side of the Atlantic. Everywhere they bore therefore patiently the hardships imposed upon them by the cotton crisis, opposed enthusiastically the proslavery intervention of their betters — and, from most parts of Europe, contributed their quota of blood to the good cause.

While the workingmen, the true political powers of the North, allowed slavery to defile their own republic, while before the Negro, mastered and sold without his concurrence, they boasted it the highest prerogative of the white-skinned laborer to sell himself and choose his own master, they were unable to attain the true freedom of labor, or to support their European brethren in their struggle for emancipation; but this barrier to progress has been swept off by the red sea of civil war.

The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm#b

Signed on behalf of the International Workingmen's Association, the Central Council:

Longmaid, Worley, Whitlock, Fox, Blackmore, Hartwell, Pidgeon, Lucraft, Weston, Dell, Nieass, Shaw, Lake, Buckley, Osbourne, Howell, Carter, Wheeler, Stainsby, Morgan, Grossmith, dikk, Denoual, Jourdain, Morrissot, Leroux, Bordage, Bocquet, Talandier, Dupont, L.Wolff, Aldovrandi, Lama, Solustri, Nusperli, Eccarius, Wolff, Lessner, Pfander, Lochner, Kaub, Bolleter, Rybczinski, Hansen, Schantzenbach, Smales, Cornelius, Petersen, Otto, Bagnagatti, Setacci;

George Odger, President of the Council; P.V. Lubez, Corresponding Secretary for France; Karl Marx, Corresponding Secretary for Germany; G.P. Fontana, Corresponding Secretary for Italy; J.E. Holtorp, Corresponding Secretary for Poland; H.F. Jung, Corresponding Secretary for Switzerland; William R. Cremer, Honorary General Secretary.

18 Greek Street, Soho.

[A] From the minutes of the Central (General) Council of the International — November 19, 1864:

"Dr. Marx then brought up the report of the subcommittee, also a draft of the address which had been drawn up for presentation to the people of America congratulating them on their having re-elected Abraham Lincoln as President. The address is as follows and was unanimously agreed to."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/documents/1864/lincoln-letter.htm#bb The minutes of the meeting continue:

"A long discussion then took place as to the mode of presenting the address and the propriety of having a M.P. with the deputation; this was strongly opposed by many members, who said workingmen should rely on themselves and not seek for extraneous aid.... It was then proposed... and carried unanimously. The secretary correspond with the United States Minister asking to appoint a time for receiving the deputation, such deputation to consist of the members of the Central Council."

Ambassador Adams Replies
Legation of the United States
London, 28th January, 1865

Sir:

I am directed to inform you that the address of the Central Council of your Association, which was duly transmitted through this Legation to the President of the United [States], has been received by him.

So far as the sentiments expressed by it are personal, they are accepted by him with a sincere and anxious desire that he may be able to prove himself not unworthy of the confidence which has been recently extended to him by his fellow citizens and by so many of the friends of humanity and progress throughout the world.

The Government of the United States has a clear consciousness that its policy neither is nor could be reactionary, but at the same time it adheres to the course which it adopted at the beginning, of abstaining everywhere from propagandism and unlawful intervention. It strives to do equal and exact justice to all states and to all men and it relies upon the beneficial results of that effort for support at home and for respect and good will throughout the world.

Nations do not exist for themselves alone, but to promote the welfare and happiness of mankind by benevolent intercourse and example. It is in this relation that the United States regard their cause in the present conflict with slavery, maintaining insurgence as the cause of human nature, and they derive new encouragements to persevere from the testimony of the workingmen of Europe that the national attitude is favored with their enlightened approval and earnest sympathies.

I have the honor to be, sir, your obedient servant,

Charles Francis Adams
 
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