The Official Sergey "Krusher" Kovalev vs Andre "S.O.G." Ward Fight Thread

[#SOG_soldier]

50-50 fight




Sog finna do him like b hop did tito



Overrated boxer with decent skill and a ton of power is no match for an ATG

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

Thank you for your well thought out rebuttal friend. I can go in depth as to why I feel the way I do, although it's been done 100x on this forum. Care to share why you opine it to be a 50/50? Do you see Sergei able to win a decision?

Sure. I favor Kovalev mainly for 2 reasons- Wards inactivity since 2012 and the horrible competition he's faced in that time period and Kovalev's concussive power in both hands. I feel Kovalev in his prime and Ward is past his. Plus, his inability to hurt or stun Barrera and Brand at 175 makes me doubt he'll have enough power to keep Sergey off of him. I could go on but we can start with what I've just said.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Sure. I favor Kovalev mainly for 2 reasons- Wards inactivity since 2012 and the horrible competition he's faced in that time period and Kovalev's concussive power in both hands. I feel Kovalev in his prime and Ward is past his. Plus, his inability to hurt or stun Barrera and Brand at 175 makes me doubt he'll have enough power to keep Sergey off of him. I could go on but we can start with what I've just said.

Seems like many people bank on this "inactivity" stuff.
I don't believe it. I think Ward still knows his business and not "past prime".

And you say he was unavle to hurt them like Ward would be famous for his stuggering punching power otherwise... Ward didn't really hurt Kessler, Bika, Abraham, etc... maybe mentally but not physically but he still had enouh pop to keep them honest. Ward didn't achieve what he did cause of his KO power, he achieved it despite the relative lack of it... He knocked down Barrera btw... and he kept Froch off of him on their fight very effectively. If he could keep Froch with his concrete chin ofc it's damn sure Kovalev also won't run through him with his questionable chin.

And anyways how do you know if Kovalev has a better chin than Brand or Barrera. Chin doesn't certainly incrase with the level of fighters...
Brand was never even knocked down if I know it right...
Ward doesn't need to hurt an opponent he never needed he only needs to keep them honest and he has enough pop for that.
Welterweight version of Mayweather also didn't hurt people but somehow they still couldn't just walk him down and he won by a wide UD most of the time

and yeah he surely has concussive power but that's his only clear advantage over Ward. I'm aware that Kovalev is not just some stupid plodder but he can box well too, but let's be honest, his ring IQ, adaptability, overall speed, defense and overall skills are not on Ward's level cause Ward is one of the best in the world in all those things.

So while he has advantage is punching power Ward has advantage in 5 more things... And we all know that power in itself is not enough...

Or would you say KOvalev is faster than Ward?
Does he have a better defense than Ward?
Can he adapt better than Ward?
Is he smarter than Ward?
Has he got better overall skills than Ward?

 

[reservoirdogs]

Kovlev has a slightly longer reach but it's just 184 opposed to Ward's 180 and Ward solved people who have over 190 reach like Froch, Dawson or Miranda but even Kessler was close to that (188)

 

[reservoirdogs]

Ward also says what I already noticed: The lack of inside game of European fighters
It's true and I'm wondering why is that the situation. Maybe cause they emphasize amateur boxing more and there inside game is less important therefor not really taught? Does that mean that Cubans have also weak or non existent inside game?

Some British fighters or Beterbiev come into my mind as exceptions but overall it's rare.
tbh good inside game is rare in general nowadays. Why...?

 

[mr. smoke weed]

So did I. Gonna be in Section 3 ($355)

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[mr. smoke weed]

Ward also says what I already noticed: The lack of inside game of European fighters
It's true and I'm wondering why is that the situation. Maybe cause they emphasize amateur boxing more and there inside game is less important therefor not really taught? Does that mean that Cubans have also weak or non existent inside game?

Some British fighters or Beterbiev come into my mind as exceptions but overall it's rare.
tbh good inside game is rare in general nowadays. Why...?

Trainers train dude's not to engage on the inside. Especially in the EE circuit where they'll more than likely be Am's until they're 30. Exception being PBL and like you said #BeterBeast

 

[reservoirdogs]

Trainers train dude's not to engage on the inside. Especially in the EE circuit where they'll more than likely be Am's until they're 30. Exception being PBL and like you said #BeterBeast

but why?
that's a big disadvantage against someone who can do it
why reduce your skills to mid distance and out fighting...? It can't get in my head why trainers teach them that...
They are done fukked if among the pros there's someone with a strong inside game who can also get inside. Pushing and swinging wildly won't help you all the time and if you are not Wlad so you can't prevent inside fight with your pure weight and size you are doomed...

 

[mr. smoke weed]

but why?
that's a big disadvantage against someone who can do it
why reduce your skills to mid distance and out fighting...? It can't get in my head why trainers teach them that...
They are done fukked if among the pros there's someone with a strong inside game who can also get inside. Pushing and swinging wildly won't help you all the time and if you are not Wlad so you can't prevent inside fight with your pure weight and size you are doomed...

That I couldn't tell you my breh. It's a lost art in 2016 my man. Even in the US we're seeing a lack of newer fighters with inside games. Thurman is scared to death of the inside.

 

[krackdagawd]

but why?
that's a big disadvantage against someone who can do it
why reduce your skills to mid distance and out fighting...? It can't get in my head why trainers teach them that...
They are done fukked if among the pros there's someone with a strong inside game who can also get inside. Pushing and swinging wildly won't help you all the time and if you are not Wlad so you can't prevent inside fight with your pure weight and size you are doomed...

It's all an extension of the commie boxing system in Russia that's where the Cubans got their game from and added some focus on defense. If you notice a lot of the Cuban amateurs are trash on the inside as well.

As far as the Brits I call them generic Eurocacs for a reason they fight like robots n shyt the ones w out melalin of course (aside from calslappy)

 

[reservoirdogs]

It's all an extension of the commie boxing system in Russia that's where the Cubans got their game from and added some focus on defense. If you notice a lot of the Cuban amateurs are trash on the inside as well.

As far as the Brits I call them generic Eurocacs for a reason they fight like robots n shyt the ones w out melalin of course (aside from calslappy)

idk, I think Brits are more individualistic than Easter Euros or Germans, not just n every other walk of life but in boxing too.
They have plenty of robotic fighters.

There are exceptions though from white Brits.
Froch wasn't fluid but he had his own awkward style, not your everyday textbook fighter droid.
Frampton is kinda fluid
Lee Selby is probably the weakest chain among champs in 126 and it's a joke that he calls himself Welsh Mayweather but he is also less robotic
Tyson Fury is also awkward hell and not textbook but Idk if you count him, cause he is gypsy... A white gypsy though. Interestingly here in Hungary there are many gypsys but their skin in deep to light brown but UK gypsies like Fury and the ones in Snatch are full white



but sure there are many Brits who are robotic I just feel it's less common among them than among Germans or Russians

 

[mr. smoke weed]

It's all an extension of the commie boxing system in Russia that's where the Cubans got their game from and added some focus on defense. If you notice a lot of the Cuban amateurs are trash on the inside as well.

As far as the Brits I call them generic Eurocacs for a reason they fight like robots n shyt the ones w out melalin of course (aside from calslappy)

Ortiz is the only one from the 'Cuban boxing school' I've seen that's decent on the inside.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

idk, I think Brits are more individualistic than Easter Euros or Germans, not just n every other walk of life but in boxing too.
They have plenty of robotic fighters.

There are exceptions though from white Brits.
Froch wasn't fluid but he had his own awkward style, not your everyday textbook fighter droid.
Frampton is kinda fluid
Lee Selby is probably the weakest chain among champs in 126 and it's a joke that he calls himself Welsh Mayweather but he is also less robotic
Tyson Fury is also awkward hell and not textbook but Idk if you count him, cause he is gypsy... A white gypsy though. Interestingly here in Hungary there are many gypsys but their skin in deep to light brown but UK gypsies like Fury and the ones in Snatch are full white



but sure there are many Brits who are robotic I just feel it's less common among them than among Germans or Russians

Look at the difference between Selby and Valdez, Frampton, LSC, PBL and even Sauna man. They all are game on the inside, and LSC, Valdez, PBL have vicious body attacks. Frampton's nice to the body as well, just awkward as you said.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Ortiz is the only one from the 'Cuban boxing school' I've seen that's decent on the inside.

Rigo? He doesn't really engage but he operates many times just from few cm-s from the opponent.
Gamboa can be also game on the inside

 

[HeruDat1]

the Ring has spoken voted

Ward 30 to Kov 4