The Official Sergey "Krusher" Kovalev vs Andre "S.O.G." Ward Fight Thread

[GzUp]

I think he is a GGG type of fighter only with longer preferred range and more mobility. But if you look at it both of them thrive when they are on the front foot and they have place and time to put together their combinations. Both want to narrow down the free areas for their opponents as much as possible cause that gives them a set target and none of them really like to punch in the fly. That's why they both developed not fast but very good footwork in order to cut down the ring and both of them are aiming to push he fight to the ropes or even more in a corner, because there they trap their opponent, they can set their feet and throw their combinations.
I think their weak spot is they are too reliant on their preferred punching distance. They have nice counters here and there but if somebody smothers their action they reset and try to find the preferred distance again. Ad Ward is the master of playing with distances.

They also both don't like to box on the back foot or in the middle of the ring for a long time. They are also not built to rugged inside fighting.


And nobody underrates punching power, but it's ow it's not enough as an advantage, this has been proven in the history of boxing many times.
If Kovalev would have anything besides punching power and size where he clearly better than Ward he could have a better chance in my eyes but he hasn't... He isn't faster, or smarter or more skilled than Ward.

I'd think their stamina and chi are similar, none of them showed weaknesses those departments, (and yes I know that both of them have been KDd...)

Its not enough as an advantage really?



I forgot to paste the interview.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Its not enough as an advantage really?



I forgot to paste the interview.

Look, you can post as many interviews abut how freakish his punching power is as you want but I don't care...
You miss the point


Kovalev didn't only win his previous fights cause he punches big. He was also better than his opponents in other departments or his opponents were too weak in some departments. That caused that he could always land his big punches.
I didn't say that the whole man is a big punch. I said that against Andre Ward who is one of the if not the most skilled active fighter it won't be enough cause now it won't be supported by other advantages. Size, punching power, that's where Kovalev has advantage, in other elements they are either equal or Ward has the advantage. And a punching power advantage supported by a slight advantage in size won't be enough to beat Andre Ward.

Against lower tier opponents simple punching power advantage can be enough, against higher tier opponents something else is also needed, hence he isn't just a plodder and he could beat fighters like Hopkins or Pascal too,


however against the highest tier opponents you better have a clear advantage in something else than punching power otherwise you are done fukked... and in this case that's exactly the situation

 

[GzUp]

Look, you can post as many interviews abut how freakish his punching power is as you want but I don't care...
You miss the point


Kovalev didn't only win his previous fights cause he punches big. He was also better than his opponents in other departments or his opponents were too weak in some departments. That caused that he could always land his big punches.
I didn't say that the whole man is a big punch. I said that against Andre Ward who is one of the if not the most skilled active fighter it won't be enough cause now it won't be supported by other advantages. Size, punching power, that's where Kovalev has advantage, in other elements they are either equal or Ward has the advantage. And a punching power advantage supported by a slight advantage is size won't be enough to beat Andre Ward.

Against lower tier opponents simple punching power advantage can be enough, against higher tier opponents something else is also needed, hence he isn't just a plodder and he could beat fighters like Hopkins or Pascal too,


however against the highest tier opponents you better have a clear advantage in something else than punching power otherwise you are done fukked... and in this case that's exactly the situation

What video have I posted about his punching power?

 

[reservoirdogs]

What video have I posted about his punching power?

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[GzUp]

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Did u watch the video?.. U just heard punching power?

 

[reservoirdogs]

Did u watch the video?.. U just heard punching power?

So you asked this "Its not enough as an advantage really?" and embedded the video under it. A video where he also talks about he was hurting from every Kovalev punches. So he's talking about his punching power.
So you posted this video with the message "Its not enough as an advantage really?" and now you act like you did't even talk about his punching power and didn't even link this video for proving a point with it?

before that you wrote this too

"they just get hit with something they don't like so they move around not to get hit.

Just look at Lionel thompson had to say about him."


seems like you're talkin about punching power.

If not then tell me what re you talking about cause then we talk above each others' head

 

[GzUp]

So you asked this "Its not enough as an advantage really?" and embedded the video under it. A video where he also talks about he was hurting from every Kovalev punches. So he's talking about his punching power.
So you posted this video with the message "Its not enough as an advantage really?" and now you act like you did't even talk about his punching power and didn't even link this video for proving a point with it?

before that you wrote this too

"they just get hit with something they don't like so they move around not to get hit.

Just look at Lionel thompson had to say about him."


seems like you're talkin about punching power.

If not then tell me what re you talking about cause then we talk above each others' head

U said I can post as many interviews about his punching power where I just posted one interview and it wasn't really about his punching power cuz most know he can crack, the point of the interview was on other things kovelev does good at.. Idk about u but I find it rather important to see the feedback on professional boxers opinions and most importantly on the fighters they faced.

 

[reservoirdogs]

U said I can post as many interviews about his punching power where I just posted one interview and it wasn't really about his punching power cuz most know he can crack, the point of the interview was on other things kovelev does good at.. Idk about u but I find it rather important to see the feedback on professional boxers opinions and most importantly on the fighters they faced.

It really seemed like you're talking about his power and link the video cause of that since you asked before it whether it's enough of an advantage... Hence why I posted that even if the whole interview is not about his power just a part of it.

and yes it can be interesting what fighters who fought them say about them but take it into consideration that Lionell Thompson is not Andre Ward and the same thing KOd Lionell Thompson won't certainly effect Andre Ward too.

 

[Mr. Leonidas]

Guys this is a 50/50 fight if you're being objective. Both guys match up extremely well. It's power vs craft and one of these will prevail.

 

[GzUp]

It really seemed like you're talking about his power and link the video cause of that since you asked before it whether it's enough of an advantage... Hence why I posted that even if the whole interview is not about his power just a part of it.

and yes it can be interesting what fighters who fought them say about them but take it into consideration that Lionell Thompson is not Andre Ward and the same thing KOd Lionell Thompson won't certainly effect Andre Ward too.

I see, I can see the mix up.. I was talking about his power then I dropped the link but I was hoping to show u that Thompson wasn't just talking about his power, that there was more to kovalev.

Yes we know Thompson is not ward and ward is not Thompson but I found it interesting what Thompson said, he basically saying that kovalev is not all that basic and that he's slick once u get in the ring, that he's good at hitting someone that is moving, the snap that he has on his punches when he's moving.. I feel these little things a lot of people don't see, shyt Thompson who is a professional boxer didn't see these things watching kovalev fights.. Most people STILL think kovalev is just a puncher but he is more than that. I view this as a 50/50 fight but I honestly lean more to kovalev, I'm hearing some, not a lot of professional fighters comment that ward may not be ready cuz of the competition ward has faced to get ready for this fight and us as fans may not find that important but I think it's a lot more than we think.

 

[reservoirdogs]

I see, I can see the mix up.. I was talking about his power then I dropped the link but I was hoping to show u that Thompson wasn't just talking about his power, that there was more to kovalev.

Yes we know Thompson is not ward and ward is not Thompson but I found it interesting what Thompson said, he basically saying that kovalev is not all that basic and that he's slick once u get in the ring, that he's good at hitting someone that is moving, the snap that he has on his punches when he's moving.. I feel these little things a lot of people don't see, shyt Thompson who is a professional boxer didn't see these things watching kovalev fights.. Most people STILL think kovalev is just a puncher but he is more than that. I view this as a 50/50 fight but I honestly lean more to kovalev, I'm hearing some, not a lot of professional fighters comment that ward may not be ready cuz of the competition ward has faced to get ready for this fight and us as fans may not find that important but I think it's a lot more than we think.

fair enough
I doN't write off the Krusher but I'm confident in Ward's victory.
The Bible said it too

Also a side note...
Kovalev is really good at hitting moving opponents IF they move in a straight line. He has more problems with lateral movement

 

[GzUp]

fair enough
I doN't write off the Krusher but I'm confident in Ward's victory.
The Bible said it too

Also a side note...
Kovalev is really good at hitting moving opponents IF they move in a straight line. He has more problems with lateral movement

I've said a couple times that wards best skill is his movement, the quick little steps he takes when u punch. I think he does move in a straight line back but he can get away with it cuz he moves quickly. But I've been studying his past fights and I think his movement isn't as good as it was at 168, I think it's the weight more so than the rust. But I also heard how inactivity can take away things from a fighter and even ruin them, I'm not saying that's the case about ward.

I can see ward winning but I also can see kovalev winning by ko.

 

[R=G]

I don't think they underestimate him though... I would even say they sometimes overrate him.
People talking about his UD over Hop as it would have been some master boxing just cause he couldn't KO his opponent this time.
Kovalev isn't losing on the cards eve when he KOs his opponents but not because he makes them look stupid or he would be so hard to hit... He make his opponents scared to throws and they go into survival mode after 1-2 rounds... He overwhelms them.
Other question that Hopkins with his tremendous experience still had enough in him to survive and go out on his feet at least but he was also scared to throw, he jut wanted to survive it. While Kovalev did exactly the same what he always does, he wasn't forced to change his strategy. And I think he couldn't change it if he would be forced. He just does it so effectively that 95% of his fights he won't have to change anything on it.
I rather call master boxers fighters who CAN adapt and fight more ways and with better than solid defense. I think about the Crawfords and Wards or the world.

I doN't say that Kovalev is just some plodder, doN't get me wrong but I also raise my eyebrows when people claim he is a better pure boxer and tactician than Ward, has a higher skill level than Ward and he will outbox and counter him...

nah... BS
Kovalev's best chance against Ward is he does what he always does... If he tries to outbox Ward he will lose by a wide UD. His only real chance is to intimidate Ward like almost all of his other opponents.
However I think this won't work on Ward and Ward will get his number and when Ward figure him out he (as I said above) won't be able to adjust to it but he will try his best for a KO punch and will do what he does the best...

Ward has not lost since he was 13 or 14..this thing is just no excuses. No one should be injured in November...dont show up injured..dont do that gay shyt. Both in their prime..a KO offensive fighter with good body counterpunching against a thinking man's boxer. We'll see who deserves props in the fight of the year #NoExcuses

 

[reservoirdogs]

Ward has not lost since he was 13 or 14..this thing is just no excuses. No one should up in November..dont do that gay shyt. Both in their prime..a KO offensive fighter with good body counterpunching against a thinking man's boxer. We'll see who deserves props in the fight of the year #NoExcuses

What excuses?
I didn't make any.
As I said I'm confident in Ward's victory. I didn't make any excuses
just because I have my prediction doesn't mean that it woN't be the fight of the year (in it's importance) and that I doN't think that the winner will be automatic P4P #1

 

[OC's finest]

i give ward big props for stepping up to fight kov

great fight, i got tix to be there

i like ward by UD, by being the superior boxer with ring IQ

but hes in for a hell of a fight imo, he gotta last 12 rounds against one of the most dangerous men in boxing, with legit 1 shot KO power

not an easy task for anyone