The Official Sergey "Krusher" Kovalev vs Andre "S.O.G." Ward Fight Thread

WHO WINS? KOVALEV OR WARD?

  • KOVALEV by KNOCKOUT

  • KOVALEV by UNANIMOUS DECISION

  • KOVALEV by SPLIT DECISION

  • WARD by KNOCKOUT

  • WARD by UNANIMOUS DECISION

  • WARD by SPLIT DECISION

  • DRAW


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Did Ward really do better than Bhop; Bhop is rolling in his grave with how people pretend Ward runnin as did something, contrary to old man Bhop who stood in the middle of the fire while landing his own bombs buzzing the shyt out of Kovalev

:pacspit: at Ward
sometimes y'all complain about Ward running and sometimes you complain about Ward wrestling on the inside and that Byrd didn't do nothing about it.

These two are... well :manny: kinda the opposites of each other :yeshrug:

Make your damn mind up before you go on ranting about a close fight

and B-Hop doesn't roll in his grave cause although he is old, he ain't dead yet :pachaha:
And you smoke some too heavy stuff if you really think Hop did better against Kovalev. Hop got dominated from the first round to the last, Ward fought razor close fight which could go either way.
 

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Judges scorecards:


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Judge John McKale gave Andre Ward rounds 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12.

Judge Burt Clements gave Andre Ward rounds 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11

Judge Glenn Towbridge gave Andre Ward rounds 3, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12


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I agree with the score but I don't see how people gave round 10 to Ward
 

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Did Ward really do better than Bhop; Bhop is rolling in his grave with how people pretend Ward runnin as did something, contrary to old man Bhop who stood in the middle of the fire while landing his own bombs buzzing the shyt out of Kovalev

:pacspit: at Ward
Man get the fukk out of here.
 

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I don't know what you're talking about here breh
Meaning the last time I actually took time and made a PFP list was before Floyd-Manny and Ward had his layoff. I had my PFP list as 1. Floyd, 2. Ward, 3. Pacquiao.

I understand that Ward slipped off lots of lists when he was inactive. I also agree with those who feel Chocolatito being put in the #1 spot was largely media conversation and not necessarily what I agree with.

We could debate Ward's recent activity and opponents, but since he has been active I wouldn't disagree with anyone who had Ward in the #1 spot and I dont think he had to fight Kovalev to be number one again. It certainly helps his case going forward to any doubters.

Maybe I am just saying that despite #GGGoodBoys and #SOGGang beefs, if we are being real, despite that I dont root for Ward, I have always respected him and honestly until someone beats him, I consider him the worlds best fighter (with Floyd retired).
 

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I like this version with no commentary actually HD in the arena

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now I rewatched the fight third time, I watched it with this video now

I like how we can see more punches clearly somehow... and the atmosphere comes through even if it can be deceiving

Point is, idk about y'all but the more I watch the fight the more I admire what Ward did :yeshrug:
I know that I'm biased with him but I try my very best to put that aside and see it like that

when I watched it live, I couldn't even keep scoring, it was just too intense and emotional, I thought both men could win but I felt that Ward did more overall... He won, I was happy but next day I rewatched it with clear head to be sure that it weren't my bias what told me that Ward edged it out.
Then I scored it 115-113 for Ward with the 6th being a draw

Now I rewatched the third time and I'm even more convinced in my pick. This time I gave the 6th to Kovalev but I feel that the 10th which on my second watch seemed like a Kovalev round was actually a draw or arguably even a Ward round and watching this video changed the viewpoint/perspective a little and maybe it's closer to what the judges saw also and that's why they all scored it for Ward... I got 115-113 here too

It was very nice how Ward almost completely nullified Kovalev's right had after the second round. He found the optimal distance and kept circling to Kovalev's left where he couldn't reach him. On the inside Ward was better even if Kovalev also placed some shots (some of his only few right hands after the second round came from the inside).
While Kovalev set his distance and his jab in the first 2 rounds he was losing it round by round from there with little breaks. The more deep we were in the fight the comfortable Ward got. He changed Kovalev's fight and they started to fight Ward's fight. And from then Ward also started to win the jab contest.

This is something interesting about Eastern European fighters: Even the most skilled ones out of them - like Kovalev, Klitschko or Golovkin - only fight in ONE preferred distance. They know every technical aspect but they can only perform it well from one distance. I don't know why if otherwise they are skilled ad know everything properly...
and this range is most of the time a middle range, some of them is rather closer like Golovkin with his hooks but some of them like it from longer range (Kovalev, Wlad, Postol...)
and none of them likes to fight on the inside except maybe Beterbiev

this fight reminded me a little to Crawford vs Postol. Not like this would have been the same domination, no... but the script was similar. Smart, strategist American fighter who is labelled as the boxer in the matchup against an Eastern Euro guy who is rather considered the puncher (by different extent of course) and the latter one is the rangier, bigger guy.
EE fighter starts out good, wins rounds, has his way with the distance and jabs, then around the 4th-5th round the American fighter adjusts and makes it his fight.

of course there are differences, for example Crawford knocked Postol down while Ward was knocked down by Kovalev and Cawford didn't integrate inside fighting in his strategy cause he didn't have to (was faster than Postol by a lot) and that one of them was more clear, but overall I see the similarity.
In both cases range and adaptability were keys.
 

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The referee kind of spoke on this too. Robert Byrd:






#SOGGang

Looking at the side of kov body after about halfway. Low key I hate this can't fight on the inside generation man shyt is really becoming a lost art. nikkas get on the inside and immediately look at the ref like :to: fukk that fight your way out nikka it's a fight. Ain't nobody to save you sparring but you need saving when you fighting :camby:
 

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ward movement was poison to kovalev right hands. kovalev has to snake his way into range to steal you with his right hand and ward movement means he can never come into range to throw a right hand.

in a rematch ward has to try to stay way out and jab. kovalev never coming into range to throw a right hand probably does not beat ward in a jab contest.

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The GOAT has spoken :wow:
 

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I agree with the score but I don't see how people gave round 10 to Ward


I watched it last night and gave rounds 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, and 12 to Ward. Round 5 was a tossup to me but I thought Kovalev inched it. Round 10 was Kovalev's with nothing to debate. In fact, Ward gave that round away showboating and ate some jabs in the process.

The fight could have gone either way, but I'm strongly inclined to believe the excessive hostility to the decision has a lot more to do with :mjpls: than anything else. That includes a bias at times unbeknownst to even those who genuinely believe they dont have a bias. To be fair, an argument can be made that folks can be fooled by the aggressor. I think a stronger argument can even be made that the champ should be given the benefit of tbe doubt in close bouts. One has to "beat" the champ, and it should be decisively. And Ward definitely did not do that. However, rules are rules, point based judging is what it is. :manny:
 
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