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Weaver visited temple like 5 weeks ago and has been wavering ever since. But I'll let the media cook with the fake outrage 
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USF last week he was never gonna be in the class.At least he explored other options he got the hint months agoWeaver visited temple like 5 weeks ago and has been wavering ever since. But I'll let the media cook with the fake outrage
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Nick Eubanks 4* TE from Florida visiting Wednesday
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I was going to post some thoughts on this topic after the Swenson situation, but the way that played out in public was so inaccurate that it wasn't worth commenting on.
My thoughts on a couple of these recent decommits (ones that were non-grade related) are many, as you'd expect....
1. I'm not a fan of Michigan waiting until this late in the process to officially cut ties. Wins bring recruits, and Michigan won 10 games over a month ago and could have given more notice to a couple of the kids who have been let go, Weaver being one. On the flip side, Weaver has officially visited Temple and will visit two more schools before making a final decision. I'd say about 95 times out of 100, the players and their camps "get the hint" when a coaching staff stops recruiting them for almost six months and decide to look elsewhere. Ohio State, Bama....pretty much the entire SEC.....basically teams win on the big stage are all guilty of some form of this at different points. Anytime you read a school and a prospect "mutually parting ways", it's the program saying sayonara to the prospect to find room for a better prospect. Usually when this happens, you don't see the prospect speak negatively about the school they are leaving. It's happened twice now with Michigan in less than a week....so instead of it being a problem in the general recruiting landscape, the public perception is that it's a Michigan thing, which couldn't be further from the truth. This tweet from SBNation's main recruiting guy, Bud Elliott, sums it up:
The timing is bad for Michigan for a couple reasons, but the biggest one in my opinion is the fact that this is the time of the year where mainstream media outlets actually pay attention to recruiting. Those writers have next to zero idea about the behind the scenes stuff that happens on the recruiting trail or know that this takes place at more schools than it doesn't.
2. Along those same lines, I fully expect Michigan to change this up going forward. I am not of the belief that this is going to hurt them badly on the recruiting trail, but it's a chink in their armor, especially if they really do identify an underrated kid that they like and would legitimately take a chance on. It's hard not to believe said prospect may be concerned about a verbal commitment to Michigan. Schools are also going to negatively recruit the hell out of them for this, and it's probably already taken place. Michigan can be (is) a recruiting juggernaut with minimal weaknesses if they can shore up something like this that other programs will jump all over.
3. Michigan is recruiting better than I think they originally believed they would during the summer when they went on the satellite camp tour. That's part of what's led to these late decommitments from players we've known would not be part of the class since at least October. Wins are what matter in college football and wins are oftentimes byproducts of elite recruiting classes. Michigan, like every other program in college football, is trying to give their scholarships to the best players available, even if they have to take steps like this to do so.
In short, I'm not a fan of the way a couple of these situations have played out and Michigan could have handled them a bit better. I'm somewhat numb to it though because I've covered recruiting for long enough now to have seen similar situations take place well over 100 times.
My thoughts on a couple of these recent decommits (ones that were non-grade related) are many, as you'd expect....
1. I'm not a fan of Michigan waiting until this late in the process to officially cut ties. Wins bring recruits, and Michigan won 10 games over a month ago and could have given more notice to a couple of the kids who have been let go, Weaver being one. On the flip side, Weaver has officially visited Temple and will visit two more schools before making a final decision. I'd say about 95 times out of 100, the players and their camps "get the hint" when a coaching staff stops recruiting them for almost six months and decide to look elsewhere. Ohio State, Bama....pretty much the entire SEC.....basically teams win on the big stage are all guilty of some form of this at different points. Anytime you read a school and a prospect "mutually parting ways", it's the program saying sayonara to the prospect to find room for a better prospect. Usually when this happens, you don't see the prospect speak negatively about the school they are leaving. It's happened twice now with Michigan in less than a week....so instead of it being a problem in the general recruiting landscape, the public perception is that it's a Michigan thing, which couldn't be further from the truth. This tweet from SBNation's main recruiting guy, Bud Elliott, sums it up:
The timing is bad for Michigan for a couple reasons, but the biggest one in my opinion is the fact that this is the time of the year where mainstream media outlets actually pay attention to recruiting. Those writers have next to zero idea about the behind the scenes stuff that happens on the recruiting trail or know that this takes place at more schools than it doesn't.
2. Along those same lines, I fully expect Michigan to change this up going forward. I am not of the belief that this is going to hurt them badly on the recruiting trail, but it's a chink in their armor, especially if they really do identify an underrated kid that they like and would legitimately take a chance on. It's hard not to believe said prospect may be concerned about a verbal commitment to Michigan. Schools are also going to negatively recruit the hell out of them for this, and it's probably already taken place. Michigan can be (is) a recruiting juggernaut with minimal weaknesses if they can shore up something like this that other programs will jump all over.
3. Michigan is recruiting better than I think they originally believed they would during the summer when they went on the satellite camp tour. That's part of what's led to these late decommitments from players we've known would not be part of the class since at least October. Wins are what matter in college football and wins are oftentimes byproducts of elite recruiting classes. Michigan, like every other program in college football, is trying to give their scholarships to the best players available, even if they have to take steps like this to do so.
In short, I'm not a fan of the way a couple of these situations have played out and Michigan could have handled them a bit better. I'm somewhat numb to it though because I've covered recruiting for long enough now to have seen similar situations take place well over 100 times.
I have zero problem with ushering lower ranked commits out the door for higher ranked ones, as long as the lower ranked ones are told where they stand. Hopefully weaver was, I used to lie my ass off at 18, so who knows.
HNIC973
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Weaver knew exactly where he stood said he wanted to take all 5 OV staff encouraged him to.He even defended Harbaugh last night on twitter.Its not like we are letting kids move in to dorms then kicking em out like LSU.Elite programs do even worse shyt then this but since its Michigan now its a problem?
like I said before if we wanna be elite better get used to this type of recruiting
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Eubanks: It appears that Michigan may be in much better shape for Fort Lauderdale (FL) American Heritage four-star tight end Nick Eubanks than originally realized.
Eubanks has a final three of Michigan, Florida and Alabama, but this is pretty much a two-team battle between the Wolverines and the Gators.
In talking to a source closer to the Michigan side of things, there is actually a belief that Eubanks may prefer to not play in the SEC and that it's why Michigan is surging here late after a very late push for his services. The Wolverines sent Jim Harbaugh, Jay Harbaugh and Chris Partridge to go in-home with Eubanks last night and the group went bowling.
As far as the overall tight end board, my belief is that Michigan will take whoever comes first between Eubanks and Chase Allen and will then wait to see Devin Asiasi's decision before they decide whether or not to push for the other guy. I would be shocked if all three ended up Wolverines, as they don't have the room.
Fuller: Latest intel on the race for Top50 athlete Jordan Fuller is that this is a close race that will likely come down to Ohio State and Michigan. Michigan's optimism has grown since their official visit, while the latest from the Ohio State side of things is "cautious optimism". Most continue to lean towards Ohio State because of reports stemming from the Army All-American game, but he's kept things closer to the vest since officially visiting both Columbus and Ann Arbor the last two weekends.
As Bill Kurelic reported on Monday night, all three of Jim Harbaugh, Brian Kelly and Urban Meyer will go in-home with Fuller and his family on Wednesday respectively.
Sometimes, things like the order of in-home visits late in the process can make a difference. I don't necessarily think that's the case with someone like Fuller, who has a strong support system and will be thorough in his decision. If he chooses Ohio State or Notre Dame or Michigan, my sense in covering Jordan is that it's because it's where he wants to go, not because of a late visit or last minute surge.
More AH targets: American Heritage is absolutely loaded, with Michigan having seven offers out to prospects currently playing for the Florida powerhouse.
Two targets Michigan made sure to check on yesterday while in town to see Nick Eubanks were offensive tackles Kai-Leon Herbert and Tedarrell Slaton, a pair of players that are very high on Michigan early on in the process.
"Coach Harbaugh talked to my coaching staff about me," Herbert told Wolverine247. "They're still high on me and what I can do. I feel the same way about them. TJ (Slaton) and I are still looking to come up for an unofficial visit this spring or summer."
Last time he spoke publicly, Slaton named Michigan his leader twice within a three-week span. Duke, Florida State, Miami and Florida are among the other programs heavy after him. Herbert has had Florida on top for a while, with Michigan among two or three schools in a second group.
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- Still expecting McKeesport (PA) four-star athlete Khaleke Hudson to choose Michigan on Wednesday. The intel there continues to point directly at the Wolverines.
- I'm still keeping my 247Sports Crystal Ball on Texas for current Michigan verbal commitment Jordan Elliott. I would be surprised if he didn't flip to the Horns on or just before National Signing Day. Michigan will have a good idea of what he's going to do before hand in my opinion.
- Orchard Lake St. Mary's 2017 four-star wide receiver KJ Hamler is still hearing from Tyrone Wheatley and Jim Harbaugh among others. He maintains "high" interest in the Wolverines and will likely be visiting within the next month. We're guessing Michigan's believed-to-be junior day on February 6th.
- Michigan is showing an increased interest in Houston (TX) 2017 four-star (likely eventually five-star) running back Toneil Carter. We're not expecting much to come out of it, but the staff is committed to making a dent in the Houston area.
- One 2017 New Jersey target we could see ending up elsewhere is four-star defensive lineman Corey Bolds. Michigan is still right in the thick of it, but everything we've learned about his recruitment is that Clemson may end up being very tough to beat. He is likely to see both schools within the next few months.
Eubanks has a final three of Michigan, Florida and Alabama, but this is pretty much a two-team battle between the Wolverines and the Gators.
In talking to a source closer to the Michigan side of things, there is actually a belief that Eubanks may prefer to not play in the SEC and that it's why Michigan is surging here late after a very late push for his services. The Wolverines sent Jim Harbaugh, Jay Harbaugh and Chris Partridge to go in-home with Eubanks last night and the group went bowling.
As far as the overall tight end board, my belief is that Michigan will take whoever comes first between Eubanks and Chase Allen and will then wait to see Devin Asiasi's decision before they decide whether or not to push for the other guy. I would be shocked if all three ended up Wolverines, as they don't have the room.
Fuller: Latest intel on the race for Top50 athlete Jordan Fuller is that this is a close race that will likely come down to Ohio State and Michigan. Michigan's optimism has grown since their official visit, while the latest from the Ohio State side of things is "cautious optimism". Most continue to lean towards Ohio State because of reports stemming from the Army All-American game, but he's kept things closer to the vest since officially visiting both Columbus and Ann Arbor the last two weekends.
As Bill Kurelic reported on Monday night, all three of Jim Harbaugh, Brian Kelly and Urban Meyer will go in-home with Fuller and his family on Wednesday respectively.
Sometimes, things like the order of in-home visits late in the process can make a difference. I don't necessarily think that's the case with someone like Fuller, who has a strong support system and will be thorough in his decision. If he chooses Ohio State or Notre Dame or Michigan, my sense in covering Jordan is that it's because it's where he wants to go, not because of a late visit or last minute surge.
More AH targets: American Heritage is absolutely loaded, with Michigan having seven offers out to prospects currently playing for the Florida powerhouse.
Two targets Michigan made sure to check on yesterday while in town to see Nick Eubanks were offensive tackles Kai-Leon Herbert and Tedarrell Slaton, a pair of players that are very high on Michigan early on in the process.
"Coach Harbaugh talked to my coaching staff about me," Herbert told Wolverine247. "They're still high on me and what I can do. I feel the same way about them. TJ (Slaton) and I are still looking to come up for an unofficial visit this spring or summer."
Last time he spoke publicly, Slaton named Michigan his leader twice within a three-week span. Duke, Florida State, Miami and Florida are among the other programs heavy after him. Herbert has had Florida on top for a while, with Michigan among two or three schools in a second group.
Bits
- Still expecting McKeesport (PA) four-star athlete Khaleke Hudson to choose Michigan on Wednesday. The intel there continues to point directly at the Wolverines.
- I'm still keeping my 247Sports Crystal Ball on Texas for current Michigan verbal commitment Jordan Elliott. I would be surprised if he didn't flip to the Horns on or just before National Signing Day. Michigan will have a good idea of what he's going to do before hand in my opinion.
- Orchard Lake St. Mary's 2017 four-star wide receiver KJ Hamler is still hearing from Tyrone Wheatley and Jim Harbaugh among others. He maintains "high" interest in the Wolverines and will likely be visiting within the next month. We're guessing Michigan's believed-to-be junior day on February 6th.
- Michigan is showing an increased interest in Houston (TX) 2017 four-star (likely eventually five-star) running back Toneil Carter. We're not expecting much to come out of it, but the staff is committed to making a dent in the Houston area.
- One 2017 New Jersey target we could see ending up elsewhere is four-star defensive lineman Corey Bolds. Michigan is still right in the thick of it, but everything we've learned about his recruitment is that Clemson may end up being very tough to beat. He is likely to see both schools within the next few months.
Weaver knew exactly where he stood said he wanted to take all 5 OV staff encouraged him to.He even defended Harbaugh last night on twitter.Its not like we are letting kids move in to dorms then kicking em out like LSU.Elite programs do even worse shyt then this but since its Michigan now its a problem?
Hopefully we don't accept so many commitments from guys that we would chuck away later. I think most everyone that committed during the nationwide tour is gone aside from the early enrollees. We still have to be at a higher level morally than Ohio State or Alabama. We are Michigan. We don't gotta be MSU and suck the dikk of all our commits to stay but we gonna manage the situations better. You never know who in 2017 and 2018 classes are looking at us funny.
HNIC973
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We keep improving those kids will come not worried about Ambry Thomas not including us in his top 5 for right now.Just gotta work on the timing of these situations.N doubt teams gonna negative recruit the hell out of us we win all of that bs falls on deaf ears.Morally Michigan isn't doing anything wrong.
HNIC973
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HNIC973
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Michigan recruiting has a perception problem
is this the same perception that SEC schools have ESPN?Michigan being a big deal again
is this the same perception that SEC schools have ESPN?Michigan being a big deal again
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Pick Up The Damn Phone | mgoblog
[Patrick Barron]
You will not be surprised that the Rashad Weaver decommitment set off another media/twitter/message board tempest. The guy who called Kyle Flood "real" two weeks before his grade-fixing scandal came to light has weighed in. Teddy Greenstein has resumed calling Michael Spath a hack so he doesn't have to actually address Michigan's point of view. Lawyers from Alabama have invaded my mentions.
This is not a good state of affairs. It is not the End of Integrity, as the pearl-clutching wing of the fanbase has fretted. The decommits will sign elsewhere; they won't have to transfer or take a medical midway through their careers. Finding yourself with a guy who would be better off elsewhere is inevitable and it's better to rip off the bandaid.
Michigan isn't in this situation because it's evil or untrustworthy, but rather because it's been disorganized and sloppy. There are countless examples just this year of similar decommits that were handled much better, like when Florida commit Isaiah Williams flipped to Washington State in December. Was that a voluntary switch? Not bloody likely. Did it cause a rending of garments and beating of the breast? Not at all.
Michigan took a number of early commits from fringe players, and they did so without checking up on grades. While there have been no complaints from anyone other than Swenson and Weaver, the sheer number of decommits looks bad even if Michigan has valid reasons for consciously uncoupling. There was no reason to take commits from a slew of academically questionable three stars this summer. Michigan gave them a plan to get right and they couldn't get there, which is fine. More or less dropping contact with them is not.
Meanwhile Michigan's two talent-based decommits were given broad hints but not told flat out until they did not want to take those hints. Whether or not this is how it's done elsewhere, that's the equivalent of breaking up with your girlfriend via meaningful eyebrow arcing and the occasional pursed lip. It results in confusion and people buying you gun racks.
Erik Swenson should have been explicitly dumped as soon as he did not show for Michigan's summer camp, and certainly by October, when his midseason senior film arrived in Ann Arbor. Weaver got enough of a message that he started looking around in November; his situation should have been made explicitly clear by midseason at the latest as well.
This is both ethically better and less damaging to the program. A Swenson set loose in October is both more capable of finding an appropriate landing spot and less capable of setting off a media firestorm. If Rashad Weaver simply flips to one of the four schools he visited over the course of the season his decommit is as newsworthy as that of Isaiah Williams, ie, not newsworthy except to Washington State fans.
So. To prevent further outbreaks, pick up the damn phone. By December.
[Patrick Barron]
You will not be surprised that the Rashad Weaver decommitment set off another media/twitter/message board tempest. The guy who called Kyle Flood "real" two weeks before his grade-fixing scandal came to light has weighed in. Teddy Greenstein has resumed calling Michael Spath a hack so he doesn't have to actually address Michigan's point of view. Lawyers from Alabama have invaded my mentions.
This is not a good state of affairs. It is not the End of Integrity, as the pearl-clutching wing of the fanbase has fretted. The decommits will sign elsewhere; they won't have to transfer or take a medical midway through their careers. Finding yourself with a guy who would be better off elsewhere is inevitable and it's better to rip off the bandaid.
Michigan isn't in this situation because it's evil or untrustworthy, but rather because it's been disorganized and sloppy. There are countless examples just this year of similar decommits that were handled much better, like when Florida commit Isaiah Williams flipped to Washington State in December. Was that a voluntary switch? Not bloody likely. Did it cause a rending of garments and beating of the breast? Not at all.
Michigan took a number of early commits from fringe players, and they did so without checking up on grades. While there have been no complaints from anyone other than Swenson and Weaver, the sheer number of decommits looks bad even if Michigan has valid reasons for consciously uncoupling. There was no reason to take commits from a slew of academically questionable three stars this summer. Michigan gave them a plan to get right and they couldn't get there, which is fine. More or less dropping contact with them is not.
Meanwhile Michigan's two talent-based decommits were given broad hints but not told flat out until they did not want to take those hints. Whether or not this is how it's done elsewhere, that's the equivalent of breaking up with your girlfriend via meaningful eyebrow arcing and the occasional pursed lip. It results in confusion and people buying you gun racks.
Erik Swenson should have been explicitly dumped as soon as he did not show for Michigan's summer camp, and certainly by October, when his midseason senior film arrived in Ann Arbor. Weaver got enough of a message that he started looking around in November; his situation should have been made explicitly clear by midseason at the latest as well.
This is both ethically better and less damaging to the program. A Swenson set loose in October is both more capable of finding an appropriate landing spot and less capable of setting off a media firestorm. If Rashad Weaver simply flips to one of the four schools he visited over the course of the season his decommit is as newsworthy as that of Isaiah Williams, ie, not newsworthy except to Washington State fans.
So. To prevent further outbreaks, pick up the damn phone. By December.
Ed MOTHEREFFING G
Chances make champions
when they end up with a top 3 class nobody will care or remember this.
