I don't think Joe fukks with anyone like that because I truly think he's a sociopath.
I think anyone is expendable to this dude in the name of content and profits. He's Adam22 with charm and street smarts.
With that said there is no podcast that I've heard that’s fukking with his and it's because he's so good at using his charm and articulation to be compelling. You can put any regular joes with sociopath Joe and eventually, he'll build pod cohesion and excitement. The man was born to pod, it is what it is.