The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

should've killed himself

played into others hands and has basically destroyed the two-state solution idea with the dummy mission of the century. nobody came to help, everyone watched, gaza is a wasteland. was it worth it? the answer is the biggest no ever if you have any objective bone in your body.

this 'martyr' idea is fukking stupid and purely a byproduct of everyone who can watch and romanticize this nonsense from afar

I agree it was shortsighted and crashing out, but you are fooling yourself if you ever thought there was going to be a two state solution. They’ve been taking over land and starving people out long before 10/7. This was Gaza’s fate whether now or later.

A Palestinian wearing a bandana could’ve stepped on a Zionist’s foot in Israel and this would've been the response eventually. Let’s also not look over the fact Israel let this happen by not acting on prior intelligence that an attack was coming.

 

[Kooley_High]

should've killed himself

played into others hands and has basically destroyed the two-state solution idea with the dummy mission of the century. nobody came to help, everyone watched, gaza is a wasteland. was it worth it? the answer is the biggest no ever if you have any objective bone in your body.

this 'martyr' idea is fukking stupid and purely a byproduct of everyone who can watch and romanticize this nonsense from afar

Dude died alone in a dusty ass chair with the IDF not even knowing who he even was .

He should be known as the Nero of Palestine, even if a two state solution is reached.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

How Yahya Sinwar’s death will change the Middle East — The Economist

Gaza’s mastermind of mayhem is dead. A ceasefire may be alive again

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[42 Monks]

I agree it was shortsighted and crashing out, but you are fooling yourself if you ever thought there was going to be a two state solution. They’ve been taking over land and starving people out long before 10/7. This was Gaza’s fate whether now or later.

A Palestinian wearing a bandana could’ve stepped on a Zionist’s foot in Israel and this would've been the response eventually. Let’s also not look over the fact Israel let this happen by not acting on prior intelligence that an attack was coming.

It was a long shot before - but now there is an entire generation of dead gazans that won't even have schools to leverage a seat at the table again. there was a pathway to a two state solution but it would've always relied on netanyahu leaving office.

and nah, in order for this kind of greenlight to work there had to be outrageous loss of life to set it off. one shooting across the fence has never moved the scale anywhere close to this and now there's no going back. also if israel let it happen, which i'll never argue against, then sinwar and hamas are even bigger idiots to play into it all. the 'day of jihad' was a meme and a year later all of palestine is cashing the check they wrote.

its a whole year later and while people cheer for a dozen IDF guys dying here and there, there's a wasteland and unmarked graves where gaza used to be while its obvious these negotiations were never in good faith (because why would they be?). its just a horrendously short sighted endeavor from the jump - and it also exposed that all this muslim unity is just talk.

with sinwar dead im at the exact point i was a year ago. there's nothing inspirational here. just delusional.

 

[mastermind]

It was a long shot before - but now there is an entire generation of dead gazans that won't even have schools to leverage a seat at the table again. there was a pathway to a two state solution but it would've always relied on netanyahu leaving office.

and nah, in order for this kind of greenlight to work there had to be outrageous loss of life to set it off. one shooting across the fence has never moved the scale anywhere close to this and now there's no going back. also if israel let it happen, which i'll never argue against, then sinwar and hamas are even bigger idiots to play into it all. the 'day of jihad' was a meme and a year later all of palestine is cashing the check they wrote.

its a whole year later and while people cheer for a dozen IDF guys dying here and there, there's a wasteland and unmarked graves where gaza used to be while its obvious these negotiations were never in good faith (because why would they be?). its just a horrendously short sighted endeavor from the jump - and it also exposed that all this muslim unity is just talk.

with sinwar dead im at the exact point i was a year ago. there's nothing inspirational here. just delusional.

There was never a fukking chance of a 2-state solution. Not even a long shot. Israel wasn’t going to allow it and the US did not give a fukk. We have to be adults and be honest about this instead of living with some liberal fairy tale that they didn’t believe.

 

[Da_Eggman]

should've killed himself

played into others hands and has basically destroyed the two-state solution idea with the dummy mission of the century. nobody came to help, everyone watched, gaza is a wasteland. was it worth it? the answer is the biggest no ever if you have any objective bone in your body.

this 'martyr' idea is fukking stupid and purely a byproduct of everyone who can watch and romanticize this nonsense from afar

Suicide would of did a disservice to his ideology

This is exactly the way he wanted to go out

As you say above delusion is exactly what keeps this never ending

 

[Micky Mikey]

 

[Apollo Kid]

 

[Piff Huxtable]

Congrats Israel on killing Sinwar.
You won, Hamas lost. Mission accomplished. Now GTFO out of Gaza and stop killing civillians

 

[King Kreole]

It was a long shot before - but now there is an entire generation of dead gazans that won't even have schools to leverage a seat at the table again. there was a pathway to a two state solution but it would've always relied on netanyahu leaving office.

and nah, in order for this kind of greenlight to work there had to be outrageous loss of life to set it off. one shooting across the fence has never moved the scale anywhere close to this and now there's no going back. also if israel let it happen, which i'll never argue against, then sinwar and hamas are even bigger idiots to play into it all. the 'day of jihad' was a meme and a year later all of palestine is cashing the check they wrote.

its a whole year later and while people cheer for a dozen IDF guys dying here and there, there's a wasteland and unmarked graves where gaza used to be while its obvious these negotiations were never in good faith (because why would they be?). its just a horrendously short sighted endeavor from the jump - and it also exposed that all this muslim unity is just talk.

with sinwar dead im at the exact point i was a year ago. there's nothing inspirational here. just delusional.

The most likely - perhaps only - path to Palestinian statehood and self-determination was through the international community making Israel stand down. This was never going to happen unless Israeli brutality and inhumanity was displayed at a massive scale that could not be ignored or swept under the rug like the past Intifadas. This was the perspective on which Operation Al Aqsa Flood was crafted and launched on October 7th. And it has been a massive success. Israel is currently in the most delegitimized position its been in for its entire history, and Palestinian rights are at the forefront of international community's focus. Sinwar won.

 

[Piff Huxtable]

The most likely - perhaps only - path to Palestinian statehood and self-determination was through the international community making Israel stand down. This was never going to happen unless Israeli brutality and inhumanity was displayed at a massive scale that could not be ignored or swept under the rug like the past Intifadas. This was the perspective on which Operation Al Aqsa Flood was crafted and launched on October 7th. And it has been a massive success. Israel is currently in the most delegitimized position its been in for its entire history, and Palestinian rights are at the forefront of international community's focus. Sinwar won.

Yeah, great victory for the Palestinian people

 

[mastermind]

Tbh, I wouldn’t even carve out a Palestine state at this point. Just remove the military occupation and make them full Israeli citizens and give them back their homes and let them have full rights as citizens. Israel won’t even do that because they want an ethnostate.

 

[King Kreole]

Yeah, great victory for the Palestinian people

If you are familiar with the history and tradition of decolonial or liberation ideology, and a people's yearning for true freedom while under the boot of oppression, then this sentiment will be familiar to you.

If the measure of your life is watching the game on the big screen at Chili's and being entertained to death at the heart of the empire, then this sentiment will be inscrutable to you.

 

[King Kreole]

Tbh, I wouldn’t even carve out a Palestine state at this point. Just remove the military occupation and make them full Israeli citizens and give them back their homes and let them have full rights as citizens. Israel won’t even do that because they want an ethnostate.

This is the only just solution and the simplest.

 

[42 Monks]

The most likely - perhaps only - path to Palestinian statehood and self-determination was through the international community making Israel stand down. This was never going to happen unless Israeli brutality and inhumanity was displayed at a massive scale that could not be ignored or swept under the rug like the past Intifadas. This was the perspective on which Operation Al Aqsa Flood was crafted and launched on October 7th. And it has been a massive success. Israel is currently in the most delegitimized position its been in for its entire history, and Palestinian rights are at the forefront of international community's focus. Sinwar won.

I think that's a fallacy tbh. Bloodshed is the norm - generationally. Another war in the middle east isn't rattling anyone who's accustomed to it.

But more than anything you cannot call any of this a success. Like in what metric?

No militarized force came to help.
The standing open opposition to Israel in Iran has raised black flags of war and red flags of vengeance but done nothing beyond well measured shows of force that effectively communicates their unwillingness to even entertain true friction.
Israel is in no way delegitimized in any material way - there's some performative court proceedings, empathetic and misplaced protests that don't stop bombs from falling, and even in spite of journalists and humanitarian workers being killed without regard there is no true remedial action.
"Rights" is a joke. How many people have died and will continue to be killed? Its a wholesale departure from the reality of many never being able to return home or even be identified in the grave. That is a remarkable disconnect to talk rights when institutions have been leveled without even a humored conversation of recompense.

This is just whimsical romanticism that wants to focus on what could/should be and what is. Keep fighting the good fight? My sentiments from hour 1 are the same as they are over a year later - if you're going to fight, you need to win. Palestine will never recover from this and even the idea of regional unity in that region has been exposed is all talk.