The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[Robbie3000]

Did the Jews live on the land way before the Arabs colonized it?
Here is a history lesson for you...Where did the word 'Palestine' come from? And what's the meaning? You do the research.

Also, Most of the land initially was BOUGHT by the Jewish settlers and they used that to start the process of bringing Jews back to the land.
If the Palestinians had taken the earlier deals Israel won't be as big as it is today. Someone keeps telling the Palestinians that one day they will kick all the Jews from the land. 'From the river to the sea' These people don't live in reality. The Jews are not going anywhere.

More violence = More land for Israel.

We are at the point where supposedly black dudes on a hip-hop site are defending European colonialism. Whats next Slavery? Holocaust?

I mean might makes right. Right?

 

[No1]

Did the Jews live on the land way before the Arabs colonized it?
Here is a history lesson for you...Where did the word 'Palestine' come from? And what's the meaning? You do the research.

Also, Most of the land initially was BOUGHT by the Jewish settlers and they used that to start the process of bringing Jews back to the land.
If the Palestinians had taken the earlier deals Israel won't be as big as it is today. Someone keeps telling the Palestinians that one day they will kick all the Jews from the land. 'From the river to the sea' These people don't live in reality. The Jews are not going anywhere.

More violence = More land for Israel.

Why should the Palestinians have been forced to take any of those deals? They were on the land. You just said they should’ve taken a redrawing of their territory by a colonial power. This is like asking why African tribes would have an issue with the nation states and caste systems Europeans created.

 

[Mister Terrific]

I like Emma but is she serious? I’ve seen this take before and it is always baffling and makes me question if people live in reality. What about a two state solution between India and Pakistan, Serbia and Kosovo, Russia and Ukraine

 

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Peel Commission Full Report (1937) - English

Peel Commission Full Report (1937) - English. Peel, W. et al. (1937), "Report of the Palestine Royal Commission", UNISPAL, available at http://unispal.un.org/pdfs/Cmd5479.pdf, retrieved 21/06/2014.

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July 1, 1937

Q: Lord Peel: Since you demand the establishment of a national government in Palestine, what will you do with the 400,000 Jews already living there?

A: Mufti: It will not be the first time that Jews have lived under the aegis of an Arab state. In the past it has been the Arab states which were the more compassionate to them. History shows that, during all periods, the Jews only found rest under theprotection of Arab rulers. The East was always a shelter for Jews escaping from European pressure.

Q: Lord Peel: You stated that the number of Jews has increased steeply, so that the number of Arabs, which during the time of the conquest was approximately 90% of the total population, has now dropped to 70%.

A: Mufti: That is correct.

Q: Lord Peel: Notwithstanding this, if you reach agreement with the English, will you be prepared to allow the Jews to remain in the country?

A: Mufti: That is a matter for the government that will be formed to deal with at the appropriate time. Its principle will be justice, and above all else it will concern itself with the interests and benefit of the country.

Q: Lord Peel: Do you think that the Jews will accept this declaration without receiving something more substantial? Such an oral declaration will not convince them.

A: Mufti: Jews living in the other Arab states currently enjoy freedoms and rights.

Q: Lord Peel: Does His Eminence think that this country can assimilate and digest the 400,000 Jews now in the country?

Mufti: No.

Question: Some of them would have to be removed by a process kindly or painful as the case may be?

Mufti: We must leave all this to the future.​

 

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Why should the Palestinians have been forced to take any of those deals? They were on the land. You just said they should’ve taken a redrawing of their territory by a colonial power. This is like asking why African tribes would have an issue with the nation states and caste systems Europeans created.

They have no choice. They had to take whatever deal which was on the table.

When you lose wars, you don't get to dedicate anything. Take it or leave it or start another war with a nuclear armed state.

The conflict is the only one I can remember where the losers of the war demand land borders before the war started. Complete insanity.

 

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January 12, 1937​

LORD PEEL: ... Just one question, then. You want completely to stop Jewish immigration. What do you want to do with the 400,000 Jews here at present?

MUFTI: They will live as they always did live previously in Arab countries, with complete freedom and liberty, as natives of the country. In fact Moslem rule has always been known for its tolerance, and as a matter of fact Jews used to come to Eastern countries under Arab rule to escape persecution in Europe. According to history, Jews had a most quiet and peaceful residence under Arab rule....

MUFTI: But I can say that the Jews, many thousands, are actually living in Iraq and Syria under Arab rule and have the same rights and the same position as the other inhabitants of the countries.

SIR L. HAMMOND: Would you give me the figures again for the land. I want to know how much land was held by the Jews before the Occupation.

MUFTI: First of all I would like to say that one of the members of our Committee will deal later with the land question, but nevertheless I will give you the figures. At the time of the Occupation the Jews held about 100,000 dunams.

SIR L. HAMMOND: What year?

MUFTI: At the date of the British Occupation.

SIR L. HAMMOND: And now they hold how much?

MUFTI: About 1,500,000 dunams: 1,200,000 dunams already registered in the name of the Jewish holders, but there are 300,000 dunams which are the subject of written agreements, and which have not yet been registered in the Land Registry. That does not, of course, include the land which was assigned, about 100,000 dunams.

SIR L. HAMMOND: What 100,000 dunams was assigned. Is that not included in, the 1,200,000 dunams? The point is this. He says that in 1920 at the time of the Occupation, the Jews only held 100,000 dunams, is that so? I asked the figures from the Land Registry, how much land the Jews owned at the time of the Occupation. Would he be surprised to hear that the figure is not 100,000 but 650,000 dunams?

MUFTI: It may be that the difference was due to the fact that many lands were bought by contract which were not registered.

SIR L. HAMMOND: There is a lot of difference between 100,000 and 650,000.

MUFTI: In one case they sold about 400,000 dunams in one lot.

SIR L. HAMMOND: Who? An Arab?

MUFTI: Sarsuk. An Arab of Beyrouth.

SIR L. HAMMOND: His Eminence gave us a picture of the Arabs being evicted from their land and villages being wiped out. What I want to know is, did the Government of Palestine, the Administration, acquire the land and then hand it over to the Jews?

MUFTI: In most cases the lands were acquired.

SIR L. HAMMOND: I mean forcibly acquired-compulsory acquisition as land would be acquired for public purposes?

MUFTI: No, it wasn't.

SIR L. HAMMOND: Not taken by compulsory acquisition?

MUFTI: No.

SIR L. HAMMOND: But these lands amounting to some 700,000 dunams were actually sold?

MUFTI: Yes, they were sold, but the country was placed in such conditions as would facilitate such purchases.

SIR I HAMMOND: I don't quite understand what you mean by that. They were sold Who iold them?

MUFTI: Land owners.

SIR I HAMMOND: Arabs?

MUFTI: In most cases they were Arabs.

SIR L. HAMMOND: Was any compulsion put on them to sell? If so, by whom?

MUFTI: As in other countries, there are people who by force of circumstances, economic forces, sell their land.

SIR L. HAMMOND: Is that all he said?

MUFTI: They were not prevented from selling the land, and mostly the country was in such economic condition as facilitated the sale. If the Government had the interest of these poor people at heart they should have prevented sales and these people would not have been evicted from their land. A large part of these lands belong to absentee landlords who sold the land over the heads of their tenants, who were forcibly evicted. The majority of these landlords were absentees who sold their land over the heads of their tenants. Not Palestinians but Lebanese.

 

[voiture]

I like Emma but is she serious? I’ve seen this take before and it is always baffling and makes me question if people live in reality. What about a two state solution between India and Pakistan, Serbia and Kosovo, Russia and Ukraine

Completely mental I tell ya.
We have so many examples of countries being split because of religious and cultural reasons but some pretend it doesn't exist when it comes to this conflict.
Virtue signaling

 

[voiture]

We are at the point where supposedly black dudes on a hip-hop site are defending European colonialism. Whats next Slavery? Holocaust?

I mean might makes right. Right?

Lets do a social experiment....When you lose wars that you started, do you get to demand that land back?

 

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[voiture]

This kumbaya Muslim-Christian myth only exist mainly in Palestine Muslim online propaganda circles.
In real life the the real world the Christians in Palestine keeps decreasing. Fatah and hamas don't even get along...let alone Christians. I don't know why these people like to shoein Christians for sympathy western points

 

[FAH1223]

This kumbaya Muslim-Christian myth only exist mainly in Palestine Muslim online propaganda circles.
In real life the the real world the Christians in Palestine keeps decreasing. Fatah and hamas don't even get along...let alone Christians. I don't know why these people like to shoein Christians for sympathy western points

Khailil is Christian

 

[voiture]

Khailil is Christian

Doesn't change the main point that those Christian numbers have been decreasing in Palestine. Which actually strengthens Isreal claims of a radicalized population.

 

[mastermind]

Remember when this was bad when the Russians did it in 2016? This is in the only paper @88m3 and @ADevilYouKhow like to read. Did they share this?

Israel Secretly Targets U.S. Lawmakers With Influence Campaign on Gaza War

Israel’s Ministry of Diaspora Affairs ordered the operation, which used fake social media accounts urging U.S. lawmakers to fund Israel’s military, according to officials and documents about the effort.

www.nytimes.com

https://archive.vn/BrnEe

Israel organized and paid for an influence campaign last year targeting U.S. lawmakers and the American public with pro-Israel messaging, as it aimed to foster support for its actions in the war in Gaza, according to officials involved in the effort and documents related to the operation.

The covert campaign was commissioned by Israel’s Ministry of Diaspora Affairs, a government body that connects Jews around the world with the State of Israel, four Israeli officials said. The ministry allocated about $2 million to the operation and hired Stoic, a political marketing firm in Tel Aviv, to carry it out, according to the officials and the documents.

The campaign began in October and remains active on the platform X. At its peak, it used hundreds of fake accounts that posed as real Americans on X, Facebook and Instagram to post pro-Israel comments. The accounts focused on U.S. lawmakers, particularly ones who are Black and Democrats, such as Representative Hakeem Jeffries, the House minority leader from New York, and Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia, with posts urging them to continue funding Israel’s military.

ChatGPT, the artificial intelligence-powered chatbot, was used to generate many of the posts. The campaign also created three fake English-language news sites featuring pro-Israel articles.

The Israeli government’s connection to the influence operation, which The New York Times verified with four current and former members of the Ministry of Diaspora Affairs and documents about the campaign, has not previously been reported. FakeReporter, an Israeli misinformation watchdog, identified the effort in March. Last week, Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram, and OpenAI, which makes ChatGPT, said they had also found and disrupted the operation.

The secretive campaign signals the lengths Israel was willing to go to sway American opinion on the war in Gaza. The United States has long been one of Israel’s staunchest allies, with President Biden recently signing a $15 billion military aid package for the country. But the conflict has been unpopular with many Americans, who have called for Mr. Biden to withdraw support for Israel in the face of mounting civilian deaths in Gaza.

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The operation focused on more than a dozen members of Congress, many of whom are Black and Democrats, according to an analysis by FakeReporter. Representative Ritchie Torres, a Democrat from New York who is outspoken about his pro-Israel views, was targeted in addition to Mr. Jeffries and Mr. Warnock.
Some of the fake accounts responded to posts by Mr. Torres on X by commenting on antisemitism on college campuses and in major U.S. cities. In response to a Dec. 8 post on X by Mr. Torres about fire safety, one fake account replied, “Hamas is perpetrating the conflict,” referring to the Islamist militant group. The post included a hashtag that said Jews were being persecuted.

On Facebook, the fake accounts posted on Mr. Jeffries’s public page by asking if he had seen a report about the United Nations’ employing members of Hamas in Gaza.