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@Toussaint it is strange that people tend to gloss over the preceding genocides and ethnic cleansing of Jews and Christians from the region?

Is it done purposefully?


I watched a program about the Greco Turkish War recently and it was eye opening
Yeah I also find it odd that we're not seeing millions of people in the street in 2024 protesting the Ottoman Empire and the thousands years old Arab Conquest of the Levant. And as we all know, when you have an ethnic cleansing and genocide done to you, you are by law allowed to do it to someone else even if they had nothing to do with your situation. So Israel is actually completely justified in their actions against the Palestinians and we should stop protesting. :thumbsup:

I think the fact that we both ate paint chips as a child is why we can see this and others have a hard time understanding :yes:
 

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For a person who likes calling our argument flaws, you sure use a lot of them.
No one supports Hamas, so stop bringing them up as if the offer any counter weight to the apartheid regime in Israel. It destroys any credibility in your argument and makes clear you support Israeli apartheid.

It's been over 6 months of this deranged oreo making up arguments in his head and punching the air to run interference for Israel/Zionism.
 

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Funny how Jews aren’t treated like foreigners in non-Muslim countries.
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This mf was ASLEEP during world history :mjlol:
 

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“Situated at a strategic location between Egypt, Syria and Arabia, and the birthplace of Judaismand Christianity, the region has a long and tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. The region has been controlled by numerous peoples, including ancient Egyptians, Canaanites, Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Achaemenids, ancient Greeks, Romans, Parthians, Sasanians, Byzantines, the Arab Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and Fatimidcaliphates, Crusaders, Ayyubids, Mamluks, Mongols, Ottomans, the British, and modern Israelis and Palestinians


“Settler colonialism”






Almost all remaining Jews in Yemen deported - Saudi media​


The last three Jewish families in Yemen were deported by the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels, leaving only four elderly Jews in the country, the London-based Saudi daily Asharq Al-Awsat reported over the weekend.The move marks the virtual end of a 2,600-year-old Jewish community in Yemen.



So colonialism and imperialism is okay because it happened before?

Well atleast you are admitting Israel is a colonial settler nation. Now make the next leap and admit that a genocide and ethnic cleansing is taking place.
 

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This mf was ASLEEP during world history :mjlol:
Clearly referring to today. Furiously trying to find a gotcha and that’s the best you could do. :umad:

Btw here’s Jewish heads of state since 1,000AD. Guess which region had 0 Jewish leaders over the last 1,000 years. :dead:



Also let’s check on the Middle East being unsafe for Jews only because of the establishment of Israel

In 1834, in Safed, Ottoman Syria, local Muslim Arabs carried out a massacre of the Jewish population known as the Safed Plunder.[21]

In 1840, the Jews of Damascus were falsely accused of having murdered a Christian monk and his Muslim servant and of having used their bloodto bake Passover bread. A Jewish barber was tortured until he "confessed"; two other Jews who were arrested died under torture, while a third converted to Islam to save his life. Throughout the 1860s, the Jews of Libya were subjected to what Gilbert calls punitive taxation. In 1864, around 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fez in Morocco. In 1869, 18 Jews were killed in Tunis, and an Arab mob on Jerba Island looted and burned Jewish homes, stores, and synagogues. In 1875, 20 Jews were killed by a mob in Demnat, Morocco; elsewhere in Morocco, Jews were attacked and killed in the streets in broad daylight. In 1897, synagogues were ransacked and Jews were murdered in Tripolitania.[22]

In 1656, all Jews were expelled from Isfahan and forced to convert to Islam because of a common belief that their Jewishness was impure. However, as it became known that the converts continued to practice Judaism in secret and because the treasury suffered from the loss of jizya collected from the Jews, in 1661 they were allowed to revert to Judaism, although they were still required to wear a distinctive patch on their clothing.[23]

In 1839, in the eastern Persian city of Meshed, a mob burst into the Jewish Quarter, burned the synagogue, and destroyed the Torah scrolls. The Jews themselves were violently forced to convert, narrowly avoiding complete massacre.[22] There was another massacre in Barfurush in 1867.[24][25]In 1839, the Allahdad incident, the Jews of Mashhad, Iran, now known as the Mashhadi Jews, were coerced into converting to Islam.[26]

In the middle of the 19th century, J. J. Benjaminwrote of Persian Jews:


"…they are obliged to live in a separate part of town…; for they are considered as unclean creatures… Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them... Sometimes the Persians intrude into the dwellings of the Jews and take possession of whatever please them. Should the owner make the least opposition in defense of his property, he incurs the danger of atoning for it with his life... If... a Jew shows himself in the street during the three days of the Katel (Muharram)…, he is sure to be murdered."[27]


Israel really fukked it up for Jews. Why wouldn’t they want to go back to this :wow:
 

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So colonialism and imperialism is okay because it happened before?

Well atleast you are admitting Israel is a colonial settler nation. Now make the next leap and admit that a genocide and ethnic cleansing is taking place.
Again with the Hamas brain trust around here no wonder Israel has been going 40-10-10 on 60% since 1948.
 

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For a person who likes calling our argument flaws, you sure use a lot of them.
No one supports Hamas, so stop bringing them up as if they offer any counter weight to the apartheid regime in Israel. It destroys any credibility in your argument and makes clear you support Israeli apartheid.

It's crazy how criticizing Israel for intentionally massacring and starving thousands of civilians (or the US for being complicit) = You support Hamas and/or Trump and hate Jews :why:
 

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Clearly referring to today. Furiously trying to find a gotcha and that’s the best you could do. :umad:
I actually did you a favor by only referring to that part of your post because the rest was complete non-sequitur nonsense that has nothing to do with the issue at hand but I have time now so ok.

Were the Assyrians, Armenians, Koin Greeks, Yazidis, Maronites, Druze, Chaldean Catholics, genocided and persecuted because of Israel as well?

It is estimated that Christians currently make up about 4% of the population of the region – 15 million believers. This is a drastic drop compared to the beginning of the 20th century, when there were slightly more than 20% Christians. If there had been no discrimination, violent persecutions and massacres by the states and Islamist groups there, there is no doubt that the number of Christians would not have remained at 20% but would have grown.

Although for different reasons (Islamic fundamentalism, economic difficulties, wars), the exodus of Christians is happening in most countries of the region, especially in Iraq, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon and the states of the Persian Gulf. In the last two years, more than 5,000 Christians have gone (including those from Jerusalem) mainly to Europe, the United States and Canada. In 2011, there were 1.7 million Christians in Syria (10% of the population). Today there are less than 450,000 of them (2% of the population). In Aleppo alone, the Christian population has shrunk from 360,000 in 2012 to 25,000 today. In 2003, there were 1.5 million Christians in Iraq. Today there are less than 120,000 of them. Syria and Iraq are home to numerous Christian communities. In Iraq, with the rise of ISIL, at least 50,000 Christians found refuge in Lebanon, but now there are only a few hundred, as most have left the region for good and gone to North America or Australia. And many leave from the relatively safe haven provided by Jordan. Coptic Orthodox Christians, an autochthonous community originating from the ancient Pharaonic civilization, were persecuted in Egypt.

The only country in the region with a growing Christian community is Israel, where the Christian population grew by 1.4% in 2020. Somewhat paradoxically, since Jews do not recognize Jesus, Christians in Israel benefit from the only functioning democracy in the Middle East because their religious freedom as much as guaranteed. According to the Israel Bureau of Statistics from December 2021, 84% of Christians surveyed said they were satisfied with life in Israel. This shows that when a democratic state is functioning then minority communities can profit despite the fact that they are minorities. However, one should be objective and recognize that in Israel, Christians suffer just as much as Muslims and other non-Judaists and are subjected to discrimination. Even the hometown of Jesus Christ, Bethlehem, is not immune to the exodus. In the past 100 years, the percentage of Christians in the population of Bethlehem has dropped from 84% to about 20% today. In addition to the Israeli government, the Palestinians also began to attack churches in Bethlehem. The first incident happened on October 28 last year when a group of Palestinians threw stones at a church. In the West Bank and Gaza, the percentage of Christians in the population fell from 11% in 1922 to 1.5% in 2017 and has fallen below 1% in recent years. During 2022, more than 5,000 Christians emigrated from the West Bank.

This confirms you were asleep during World History because if you're assessing the past century of the region and come to the conclusion that Israel possesses some type of inherent goodness based on the migratory patterns of Arab Christians you have a yawning intellectual blind spot. Or maybe you received your degree from Prager U. Either way, you don't have to dip into Islamaphobic orientalism to explain why there would be a migratory exodus of the Christian population from fukking SYRIA and IRAQ that isn't featured in Israel, the one government in the region that Western powers haven't tried to violently overthrow.

I don't know what conclusion you would like the rest of us to draw from these points. You're doing that same old Hasbara 1-2 punch of assuming (hoping :sadcam:) that your opponent is some caricature of a raging antisemite who believes Israel is the source of all the world's evil and has some kind of soft spot for the autocracies of the region, and then throwing these dud smoke bombs into any discussion of Israel's apartheid and ethnic cleansing. You do this because to soberly acknowledge the facts of reality at hand exposes the moral and intellectual rot at the heart of your position. Like, either you genuinely believe we're all secretly card-carrying members of the Muslim Brotherhood, or that like you we should be impressed that Israel has received the imprimatur of Western colonial powers.

The migratory patterns of Arabs who share the religious sensibilities of the Western colonial powers is not exculpatory to Israel's colonization and violent domination of the Palestinian people.
 

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It's been over 6 months of this deranged oreo making up arguments in his head and punching the air to run interference for Israel/Zionism.
You’re so into your Sony Stan rage you’re over here acting like you’re some type of real nikka.

Shut yo bytch ass up. I know for a fact in real life, you would roll your little eyes down and walk away without confrontation.

You African nikkas living in Toronto always talking about American politics.
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Yeah I also find it odd that we're not seeing millions of people in the street in 2024 protesting the Ottoman Empire and the thousands years old Arab Conquest of the Levant. And as we all know, when you have an ethnic cleansing and genocide done to you, you are by law allowed to do it to someone else even if they had nothing to do with your situation. So Israel is actually completely justified in their actions against the Palestinians and we should stop protesting. :thumbsup:

I think the fact that we both ate paint chips as a child is why we can see this and others have a hard time understanding :yes:
really squeezing those fallacious arguments in there huh

Didn't mention protesting but it should be part of the conversation much more than settler this and settler that. It's a big part of the reason that Jews and Christians are in Israel and why the "Axis of Resistance" attempts to wipe them out should be seen as a continuation of previous genocides.


Were they still using lead paint wherever you grew up in Europe or was this just a racist dogwhistle you felt like throwing around? Really funny stuff...
 
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