The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

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[Secure Da Bag]

not surprised, how many more aliases does this cac have

Talk to them, kettle.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Does anyone know what the changes Hamas wanted are? Are there some facts we can actually debate instead of arguing about conspiracies and theories?

 

[Outlaw]

I don't think you have any room to call other people 'useful idiots' when you are getting your information from Fox News, News Nation, The 700 Club, DailyWire, PragerU, Naftali Bennett, and other disreputable news outlets or individuals.

And stop it with the fake concern about Pride. There have always been protest within protests and against the rainbow capitalist elements trying to further commercialize it. You're just engaging in pink washing when you do this.

Edit; Posting Eretz Nehederet is even funnier now given they have been indulging in homophobia and racism.

Why didn’t those cowards protest at the trump rally in the Bronx?

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Does anyone know what the changes Hamas wanted are? Are there some facts we can actually debate instead of arguing about conspiracies and theories?

This is pure speculation on my part but they probably revolve around a couple key issues: the 'Right of Return' (which isn't going to happen), and Hamas relinquishing ALL power in Gaza. What this really is is a stalling tactic. Hamas' days are numbered.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

WSJ article link if anyone hasn't read it already....

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www.wsj.com

In one message to Hamas leaders in Doha, Sinwar cited civilian losses in national-liberation conflicts in places such as Algeria, where hundreds of thousands of people died fighting for independence from France, saying, “these are necessary sacrifices.”

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[voiture]

Is the Aljazeera journalist who was hiding hostages going to be counted as a civilian or a terrorist?

 

[NZA]

at quoting Australia Fox News.

This is how far the Zionists and their bootlickers have fallen.

i go away for a lil bit and now we are getting spammed with white supremacists like douglas murray?

 

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Does anyone know what the changes Hamas wanted are? Are there some facts we can actually debate instead of arguing about conspiracies and theories?

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-seeking-us-guarantees-gaza-ceasefire-plan-sources-say-2024-06-12/

I wish I could figure out a better source, or where I originally heard it from, but I'm pretty sure it was said that the main hold up is at the end of the initial phase, which is just 6 weeks of negotiating with nothing concrete offered. The concern is that if an agreement hasn't been reached by the 6 weeks that the ceasefire will end. Hamas is asking for it to be written that after 6 weeks with no agreement, the ceasefire would continue regardless.

The link treats it like a foot note and separates Hamas' concerns from the claim by a non-Israel official that says Hamas has asked for "timeline changes" (which Hamas has denied).Pretty obvious that without the guarantee Israel would stall the negotiations so they could continue the genocide after the 6 weeks run out. Hamas has also asked the US for a written guarantee that it will be a permanent ceasefire.

Basically it looks like another attempt by the US (and less so Israel) to try and sell a lie to the public with a temporary pause to the genocide being dressed up (via the work of the complicit media) as a legitimate ceasefire proposal, while trying to shield the US and Israel from blame.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

That sounds like a reasonable request. I don't see how anyone here or in the negotiations would find that find request untenable. If this is accurate.

 

[mastermind]

That sounds like a reasonable request. I don't see how anyone here or in the negotiations would find that find request untenable. If this is accurate.

It’s untenable if you want a genocide

 

[FAH1223]

Is the Aljazeera journalist who was hiding hostages going to be counted as a civilian or a terrorist?

He wasn’t an AlJazeera employee. He penned one op-ed for them. He was a correspondent for Palestine Chronicle.

And I haven’t seen evidence he was holding hostages! Lots of misinformation.

 

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Al Jazeera PR
@AlJazeera
The X account of the Israeli Ministry of Defense, and some Israeli websites, quoted the name of a Palestinian journalist from Gaza called Abdullah Al-Jamal and claimed that he works with #AlJazeera, and that his name was linked to what happened in the Israeli army's liberation of four prisoners in the central Gaza Strip on Saturday.

Al Jazeera Media Network confirms that Abdullah Al-Jamal has never worked with the Network, but had contributed to an Op-ed in 2019 and that these allegations are completely unfounded.

The Network also stresses that these allegations are a continuation of the process of slander and misinformation aimed at harming Al Jazeera's reputation, professionalism, and independence.

It calls for accuracy before publishing any of these allegations, the repetition of which has become ridiculous.
Al Jazeera Media Network reserves all its legal rights to refute all these allegations.

Debunking the false claim that Abdallah Aljamal kept an Israeli hostage in his home:

1- Abdallah lived in an apartment in a multi-storey building. No connection was ever provided by the IDF between him & the hostage.

2- The building where Abdallah lived was one of 7 homes reportedly raided by the IDF on June 8. Hostages were held in only 2 of these buildings, not yet clear which. The other homes belong to the families Matar, Salihia, Ayish, Jodeh, al-Habash.

3- Undercover IDF soldiers pretended to have rented an apartment in the building where Noa Argamani was held (see Israeli source below), which shows it was a multi-storey apartment building where residents in one apartment don't necessarily know what happens in another. It's not even clear if the talk here is about Abdallah's building.

4- Abdallah, his wife & dad were all shot dead by the IDF in front of their children who were wounded or escaped before the building was bombed. The family insists they saw no militants or hostages, only IDF soldiers.

The IDF now claims it was NOT Noa Argamani in the building where Abdallah lived but the 3 male hostages.

This raises the likelihood that he didn’t know, b/c he lived on the 1st floor & the hostages were kept on the 3rd in an apartment building.

Calling him a “Hamas operative” without evidence is just Israe exploiting this to defame al-Jazeera which he wrote for a few times as a freelancer.

So, more lies from Israel then, that people just disseminate freely on this website without a second thought. Smdh

 

[88m3]

 

[Pressure]

He wasn’t an AlJazeera employee. He penned one op-ed for them. He was a correspondent for Palestine Chronicle.

And I haven’t seen evidence he was holding hostages! Lots of misinformation.

He only contributed to Al Jazeera.

He worked for another pub, but that's really irrelevant.

"Civilians" were housing hostages.


What are you thoughts? This came from The hostages and not the IDF. It was cosigned by the UN.