The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[Outlaw]

Palestinians and Jews are both semetic people. Neither are black and racist cacs would say neither are white. I’m failing to see how this is a battle of white supremacy here.

 

[King Kreole]

Palestinians and Jews are both semetic people. Neither are black and racist cacs would say neither are white. I’m failing to see how this is a battle of white supremacy here.

Semitic people, huh...

Cut the shyt, no one other than fukking braincooked Nazi Eugenicists would say that these people are not white. Jerry Seinfeld and Amy Schumer are not people of color. This is a battle of white supremacy because the whole point of Zionism was to import the ASHKENAZI JEWS OF EUROPEAN DESCENT into the homeland of the Palestinian people so they could settle and colonize the land. The vast majority of the founding fathers of Zionism had never even stepped foot in the land of Palestine and had been living in shtetls and Jewish quarters in Europe for many generations. Those European Jews were what we would today consider white, and they viewed themselves as civilizationally aligned with the white colonial powers like Britain and the United States over the indigenous Arab population (which included Jews!). Which is why even the Arab Mizrahi Jews were treated like second class citizens in Israel. And in this modern era the issue is explicitly about white supremacy when you have white Jews from across the diaspora claiming rights to that land over the indigenous Arab Palestinians who have been ghettoized. The arrogance, emotional appeals to a presumption of superiority, explicitly racist language, land theft, committing crimes with impunity, and just overall Karen behavior are all hallmarks of the white supremacy foundational to Israel.

 

[88m3]

Hamas still hasn't accepted the ceasefire deal right?

 

[Outlaw]

Semitic people, huh...

Cut the shyt, no one other than fukking braincooked Nazi Eugenicists would say that these people are not white. Jerry Seinfeld and Amy Schumer are not people of color. This is a battle of white supremacy because the whole point of Zionism was to import the ASHKENAZI JEWS OF EUROPEAN DESCENT into the homeland of the Palestinian people so they could settle and colonize the land. The vast majority of the founding fathers of Zionism had never even stepped foot in the land of Palestine and had been living in shtetls and Jewish quarters in Europe for many generations. Those European Jews were what we would today consider white, and they viewed themselves as civilizationally aligned with the white colonial powers like Britain and the United States over the indigenous Arab population (which included Jews!). Which is why even the Arab Mizrahi Jews were treated like second class citizens in Israel. And in this modern era the issue is explicitly about white supremacy when you have white Jews from across the diaspora claiming rights to that land over the indigenous Arab Palestinians who have been ghettoized. The arrogance, emotional appeals to a presumption of superiority, explicitly racist language, land theft, committing crimes with impunity, and just overall Karen behavior are all hallmarks of the white supremacy foundational to Israel.

You posted a bunch of non Israeli Jews.

Misrahi Jews are the largest population of Jews in Israel and they aren’t white. They look indistinguishable with Palestinians.

Black Americans have been battling with real white supremacy since our ancestors were abducted from Africa. We don’t need non black leftist b*stardizing/co-opting a real term to garner support for their cause and various agendas.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Good job USA

UN adopted US resolution

 

[King Kreole]

You posted a bunch of non Israeli Jews.

I posted the Prime Minister of the damn country

Due to the Jewish Supremacist nature of the Zionist entity, every single one of those people is entitled to Israeli citizenship and can live on the land that Palestinians have/are being ethnically cleansed from.

Misrahi Jews are the largest population of Jews in Israel and they aren’t white. They look indistinguishable with Palestinians.

And yet, because the Palestinians belong to the “wrong” ethnicity, they are forced out of their homes and rendered stateless, subjected to humiliation, persecution, abuse and threats to their life and liberty every single day at the hands of the Zionist entity of Israel. And even the Mizrahi Jews face discrimination in Israel from the Ashkenazi ruling class.

Black Americans have been battling with real white supremacy since our ancestors were abducted from Africa. We don’t need non black leftist b*stardizing/co-opting a real term to garner support for their cause and various agendas.

Who are these non-black leftist b*stardizing/co-opting the fight against white supremacy in showing support for the Palestinian people? Do you mean Malcolm X? Jesse Jackson? Kwame Ture? Muhammad Ali? James Baldwin? Are all of these figures now fake activists because they explicitly connected the Black American struggle against white supremacy to the Palestinian struggle against white supremacy? Are we going to cancel them for making that connection?

 

[88m3]

Middle East Crisis: U.N. Security Council Passes U.S.-Backed Cease-Fire Resolution

The resolution laid out a three-phase plan that begins with an immediate cease-fire. Neither Israel nor Hamas has formally embraced the plan.

www.nytimes.com

 

[88m3]

Fourteen of the 15 members voted in favor, with Russia abstaining.

mhmm

 

[Outlaw]

I posted the Prime Minister of the damn country

Due to the Jewish Supremacist nature of the Zionist entity, every single one of those people is entitled to Israeli citizenship and can live on the land that Palestinians have/are being ethnically cleansed from.

And yet, because the Palestinians belong to the “wrong” ethnicity, they are forced out of their homes and rendered stateless, subjected to humiliation, persecution, abuse and threats to their life and liberty every single day at the hands of the Zionist entity of Israel. And even the Mizrahi Jews face discrimination in Israel from the Ashkenazi ruling class.

Who are these non-black leftist b*stardizing/co-opting the fight against white supremacy in showing support for the Palestinian people? Do you mean Malcolm X? Jesse Jackson? Kwame Ture? Muhammad Ali? James Baldwin? Are all of these figures now fake activists because they explicitly connected the Black American struggle against white supremacy to the Palestinian struggle against white supremacy? Are we going to cancel them for making that connection?

Again appealing to authority. Zionism is about nationalism and religion. A majority of Zionist in israel are indistinguishable from Palestinians so the beef has to be about something other than race.

When Arab theocratic governments oppress Africans is that also white supremacy in your eyes or something else?

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

The fact that political Zionism was birthed, not by "Mizrahi" Jews in the Levant, but by Ashkenazi Jews in Europe who imported it to Palestine seems pretty pertinent to this discussion.
If Arab Jews did not create political Zionism, why is their existence pertinent to the discussion of the white supremacist influence of the movement? Most of them did not actually want to disrupt their home countries in the way the formation of Israel did, and, as pointed out previously with Avi Schlaim and all of his work and even with the Joseph Samuels interview in how he spoke about his Muslim neighbors, they did not want to upset the multi-religious communities they lived in.

I'm on record calling the chalking up of Zionism as just simple white supremacism a lazy conclusion, but to deny the influence of white supremacy at all is just insane denialism.

 

[Outlaw]

The fact that political Zionism was birthed, not by "Mizrahi" Jews in the Levant, but by Ashkenazi Jews in Europe who imported it to Palestine seems pretty pertinent to this discussion.
If Arab Jews did not create political Zionism, why is their existence pertinent to the discussion of the white supremacist influence of the movement? Most of them did not actually want to disrupt their home countries in the way the formation of Israel did, and, as pointed out previously with Avi Schlaim and all of his work and even with the Joseph Samuels interview in how he spoke about his Muslim neighbors, they did not want to upset the multi-religious communities they lived in.

I'm on record calling the chalking up of Zionism as just simple white supremacism a lazy conclusion, but to deny the influence of white supremacy at all is just insane denialism.

Was it white supremacy when Nazi Germany wanted to import Germans into a conquered russia?

This is a b*stardization of the term. Nationalism doesn’t equal white supremacy. Just because Jews from Europe can be classified as white doesn’t mean their goal was to create a WHITE ethnostate in the Middle East. They wanted to create a Jewish state.

 

[LOST IN THE SAUCE]

Was it white supremacy when Nazi Germany wanted to import Germans into a conquered russia?

This is a b*stardization of the term. Nationalism doesn’t equal white supremacy. Just because Jews from Europe can be classified as white doesn’t mean their goal was to create a WHITE ethnostate in the Middle East. They wanted to create a Jewish state.

I don't think anyone claimed Israel intended to create a white ethnostate, but everyone here, including you, agrees they intended to create an ethnostate.

Political Zionism being birthed in Europe is not a coincidence. Zionism pulled from the same pool of thought as the white supremacist ideology that was the norm there. Herzl, Weizmann, Ben Gurian and other figureheads of the Zionist movement co-opted the same racist, dehumanizing language of white supremacy. They had no qualms about describing the Zionist project as colonialism, as painting Arabs as savages, and European Jews as superior.
There's tons of information out there on this subject which I won't be going into because I'm sure you don't actually care. Ignorance or denialism makes no difference, you're just wrong.

 

[King Kreole]

Again appealing to authority.

I'm not appealing to their authority, I'm asking if you are willing to be consistent in your argument and exile Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali from the community of Black American activists for the crime of connecting the two struggles. You claimed that people who do exactly what they did are "b*stardizing/co-opting a real term to garner support for their cause and various agendas." I'm just asking you if you think that assessment applies to those figures. If not, I have no choice but to assume you're not making arguments from a principled position, you're just getting out over your skis to do personal attacks.

Zionism is about nationalism and religion. A majority of Zionist in israel are indistinguishable from Palestinians so the beef has to be about something other than race.

Zionism is not solely about race, no one is making that claim. The point is that Zionism is inextricably linked to race. It's a load-bearing feature of Zionism. That the Palestinian people can be Orientalized is a crucial component of why and how the Zionist entity was formed and developed. The majority of Zionists in Israel are not indistinguishable from Palestinians, and even so, there are more Zionists outside of Israel than inside of Israel. Most Zionists in the United States and Britain aren't even Jewish. The leaders of the Zionist movement have by and large been white Europeans. You cannot hide behind the Mizrahi to brown-wash the history of Zionism. The colonial entities that have been the patrons of Zionism have explicitly conceived of Israel as a racial, colonial project. We don't have to guess at this stuff, we have their direct words attesting to this. Racial politics birthed Israel and racial politics have kept it alive.

When Arab theocratic governments oppress Africans is that also white supremacy in your eyes or something else?

Did the Arab theocrats just arrive from Poland and Russia and France and Germany and Britain? Do they appeal to a filial fellowship with White Western Civilization as justification for their oppressions?

 

[mastermind]

Semitic people, huh...

Cut the shyt, no one other than fukking braincooked Nazi Eugenicists would say that these people are not white. Jerry Seinfeld and Amy Schumer are not people of color. This is a battle of white supremacy because the whole point of Zionism was to import the ASHKENAZI JEWS OF EUROPEAN DESCENT into the homeland of the Palestinian people so they could settle and colonize the land. The vast majority of the founding fathers of Zionism had never even stepped foot in the land of Palestine and had been living in shtetls and Jewish quarters in Europe for many generations. Those European Jews were what we would today consider white, and they viewed themselves as civilizationally aligned with the white colonial powers like Britain and the United States over the indigenous Arab population (which included Jews!). Which is why even the Arab Mizrahi Jews were treated like second class citizens in Israel. And in this modern era the issue is explicitly about white supremacy when you have white Jews from across the diaspora claiming rights to that land over the indigenous Arab Palestinians who have been ghettoized. The arrogance, emotional appeals to a presumption of superiority, explicitly racist language, land theft, committing crimes with impunity, and just overall Karen behavior are all hallmarks of the white supremacy foundational to Israel.

In fairness, Seinfeld is half Syrian Jew. I believe he is part Mizrahi and Sephardic.

He is 100% Zionist.

 

[FAH1223]

This war and genocide will never end.