The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

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Israelis Prepare to Mark Passover, a Festival of Freedom, With Hostages Still in Gaza

Many Jews say they will adapt their Passover rituals around the Seder table this year to fit the somber mood of a country at war.

www.nytimes.com

 

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U.S. State Department spokesman Vedant Patel called the reports of mass graves “incredibly troubling” and said the Biden administration has questioned the Israeli government. The Israeli government said its forces previous exhumed bodies buried at the sites in search of Israeli hostages held by Hamas in the conflict.

UN calls for investigation into mass graves found at Gaza hospitals

United Nations leaders demanded a “clear, transparent and credible” investigation Tuesday after mass graves containing the bodies of hundreds of men and women were discovered on the grounds of two …

thehill.com

 

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Hamas releases video of hostage Hersh Goldberg-Polin in proof he survived Oct. 7 injuries — CNN

Hamas released a video of Israeli-American hostage Hersh Goldberg-Polin on Wednesday, the first proof that he survived being badly wounded during his capture on October 7.

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New Hamas PR dropped

 

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[FAH1223]

I’ve read that book.

Thanks for confirming you are a Hamas apologist.

Seriously. The entire framing of his book is that Palestine is unquestionably and always has been Arab land. He overlooks previous historical context of the Arabization of that land, the fact that Palestinians never actually controlled that land, and supports endless wars because in his misguided view Israel should not exist.

Using his book to say it isn’t religious is a big stretch. Because his views on Zionism are pre Holocaust and entirely religious in its foundation..

Have you also read Iron Cage?

Your interpretation funny

Professor Khalidi is the furthest thing from a Hamas fighter there is. He is against political violence and believes that Israeli national identity isn’t going anywhere. He is as conciliatory and evenhanded as a Palestinian nationalist gets.

So it’s funny that you are agreeing with the usual suspects who try to paint him as a hotbed of violent antisemitism.

Religion is there but that’s not the entirety of the story.

 

[FAH1223]

I feel for Khalil. He’s a really nice guy. Every Palestinian straight from Gaza I’ve met in DC over the years are so full of intellect and resilience.

 

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Have you also read Iron Cage?

Your interpretation funny

Professor Khalidi is the furthest thing from a Hamas fighter there is. He is against political violence and believes that Israeli national identity isn’t going anywhere. He is as conciliatory and evenhanded as a Palestinian nationalist gets.

So it’s funny that you are agreeing with the usual suspects who try to paint him as a hotbed of violent antisemitism.

Religion is there but that’s not the entirety of the story.

No, I've read his book and I've actually read some of his recent interviews on the topic.

It's not like he hasn't been a big figure. As I mentioned he was a part of that failed delegation in the 90s.

That said, his retelling always places an emphasis on what agency Israelis and Americans have an always presents the Palestinians as mere passengers with no agency at times.

For example:

Which finally culminates in 1988 with the Palestinian Declaration of Independence, acceptance of partition, acceptance of a two-state solution, and so on. This is a popular option among Palestinians.

Now, Hamas arises at just this moment to take up the banner of complete liberation, and to take up the banner of violent resistance. And if you read the Hamas Charter of 1968 — which is a pretty bloodthirsty document — you can see that what they are doing is reprising the former position of the PLO with an Islamic flavor, with an incredibly forceful Islamist flavor. It’s worth looking at that document, and then looking at what was amended, much, much later by Hamas.

In any case, that was a very popular approach, the PLO’s approach, and Hamas was a tiny minority. Arafat and the PLO, as they went to negotiate — first at Madrid and Washington, and then at Oslo, and afterwards — had the support of overwhelming majorities of Palestinians. That support melted away when it became clear that the Oslo formula was designed and was leading to a reinforcement of occupation, not the end of occupation.

The walls, the barriers, the checkpoints, the restriction of Palestinians to Area A and Area B, Israel taking over 60 percent of the West Bank in so-called Area C; these are results of Oslo. Occupation becomes infinitely more onerous as a result of Oslo. Settlement expands. Rather than being restricted, the settlement process goes on steroids.

When we went to Madrid, I was an advisor to the Palestinian delegation, in 1991. There were around 100, 120,000 settlers. There are three-quarters-of-a-million settlers today. This is the Oslo process. And one could go on and on.

Palestinian GDP per capita has gone down since 1991, Palestinian freedom of movement has gone down since 1991. Palestinian public opinion? People are not stupid. They turned away from the PLO, they turned away from the Palestinian Authority, and began to contemplate other approaches, because this approach had, in their view, conclusively failed. And that’s the shift that you see towards Hamas, which, even then, never gets a majority of Palestinians from that point on, including in the elections of 2006; they got 42 percent of the vote for the Palestinian Legislative Council, having lost the presidential election of January, 2005, to Abbas.

So, they never were a majority party, but the shift towards them is a result of the perceived failure of the approach of the PLO and Fatah

Weaved inside of his historic telling of events he presents this false choice where Gazans were forced to support Hamas. As though there were no other alternatives.

And to be Frank. Hamas didn't just rise. They were an Iranian/MB play with sufficient backing an infrastructure.

He hits the major dates, but often glazers over many of the key failures made by Palestinians and the results.

But that's not saying he doesn't have good insights it is just interesting to me when he decides to take a position.

He's obviously aware that the Arab Israeli war has been over for 40 years.

He's obviously aware that Hamas's attack was a hail Mary with a dire outcome, but he just can't help himself to say the obvious.

Palestinians have no realistic avenue in winning a wsr against Israel--conventional or otherwise.

It's clear hamas is just as happy to sacrifice it's own people as Bibi's government is happy to massacre them indiscriminately.

Have you also read Iron Cage?

I have not. But I will in the coming weeks. Thank you for the recommendation.

As always I caution folks who are requesting a larger US involvement. As he knows positions can change on a dime from administration to administration and usually not for the best


One thing I do agree with you and others on is that the US comes across as hypocritical if you've ever believed our foreign intervention has ever been solely in the name of Human rights.

 

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In a world where we generally accept all thing Bibi as problematic. In a world where folks have described Hamas being used as a pet project by Bibi to keep Palestinians without a country and in a constant state of flux and suffering. Why is is so difficult more people just admit he was right to make that Gambit and Hamas shouldn't be involved in that future.

 

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In a world where we generally accept all thing Bibi as problematic. In a world where folks have described Hamas being used as a pet project by Bibi to keep Palestinians without a country and in a constant state of flux and suffering. Why is is so difficult more people just admit he was right to make that Gambit and Hamas shouldn't be involved in that future.

 

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Israel's Second 9/11: How Zionism Conquered JFK, America, and Palestine
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7:13 Kennedy Peace versus Israeli Conquest
44:10 Israel's Operation Cyanide and Plans for a Nuclear Attack on Egypt
1:03:44 Israel's First 9/11 and the War of Terror
1:31:04 Do We Live in a Democracy?
1:53:17 Israel's Puppet Show
1:54:19 Israel's Second 9/11 & the Israeli/U.S. Genocide in Gaza

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Open invitation: fact check this documentary. If you find even *one* false statement, and you provide verifiable evidence it’s false, I’ll donate $500 to the charity of your choice—excluding Zionist or CIA front charities.

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No to the Noahide laws. Yes to Christ.

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This and more films are linked to Rumble & YouTube at index

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Kissinger was one of many powerful Zionist traitors who placed Israel ahead of America, however I haven’t researched his career in depth. Whether or not a politician is a Mossad agent is less important than “Are they an Israel Firster?” One nugget-

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Apparently, X’s servers can cause audio problems, but the YouTube and Rumble versions should be okay, links at index

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Go to index for links to Rumble and YouTube versions.


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Yeah that guy sounds crazy



Is David Icke still alive, maybe we can get his thoughts next?

 

[Json]

So they don’t even trust us to check out our own aid for….whatever?

Are we Hamas?

 

[Pressure]

So they don’t even trust us to check out our own aid for….whatever?

Are we Hamas?

Bro stop. That shyt didn't sound believable because it isn't.

 

[Json]

Bro stop. That shyt didn't sound believable because it isn't.

The country that was slowing aid into Northern Gaza border crossing for months until they “accidentally” killed those aid workers sounds unbelievable to you?

I’ll await your proof this isn’t going on.

 

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The country that was slowing aid into Northern Gaza border crossing for months until they “accidentally” killed those aid workers sounds unbelievable to you?

I’ll await your proof this isn’t going on.

No. Stop. There was an article in the AP. An article that includes photos.

Get the fukk off of Twitter and TikTok. These grifters are winning.

A US-led effort to bring aid to Gaza by sea is moving forward. But big concerns remain

The construction of a new port in Gaza and a U.S military-built pier offshore are underway, but the complex plan to bring more desperately needed food to Palestinian civilians is still mired in fears over security and how the aid will be delivered.

apnews.com