The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[Outlaw]

And let’s be frank. There is nothing for Hamas to gain by holding onto the hostages and attempting to prolong this.

Hold your L. There’s nothing of value left for them here besides their own self preservation for their leadership.

Exactly, I don’t understand the sympathy lefties have for Hamas. Hamas should put Palestinian interests first and they aren’t. They care more about keeping the little control they have

 

[Pressure]

Exactly, I don’t understand the sympathy lefties have for Hamas. Hamas should put Palestinian interests first and they aren’t. They care more about keeping the little control they have

They should. And primaries are going on right now. If you’re upset about funding, then you should really be looking to see how the candidates in your primary stand on the issue and make it known.

 

[NZA]

Israel wants a temporary ceasefire, Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire. If they meet somewhere in the middle it’s possible Hamas agrees to a temporary ceasefire if they keep some type of leverage

then if i were in one of those families, i would continue blaming bibi for not giving them what they want

 

[Json]

Israel wants a temporary ceasefire, Hamas wants a permanent ceasefire. If they meet somewhere in the middle it’s possible Hamas agrees to a temporary ceasefire if they keep some type of leverage

What exactly do you think the ceasefire is meant to accomplish?

It’s not like Israel signs a ceasefire on March x 2024 and in April, the leaders of Hamas can freely walk through the rubble of Raffah and not be shot.

Both sides, including the international community knows once their are international boots and citizens on the ground, these wide scale bombings are done. Israel’s killing of Hamas leadership won’t. But since Israel has been indiscriminately killing regular Palestinians, their modus operandi for the past months are done unless they want to really start killing international citizens.

There’s a reason the Ukrainian war hasn’t killed a bunch of food and aid workers and it’s not because Putin can’t do it.

 

[Outlaw]

What exactly do you think the ceasefire is meant to accomplish?

It’s not like Israel signs a ceasefire on March x 2024 and in April, the leaders of Hamas can freely walk through the rubble of Raffah and not be shot.

Both sides, including the international community knows once their are international boots and citizens on the ground, these wide scale bombings are done. Israel’s killing of Hamas leadership won’t. But since Israel has been indiscriminately killing regular Palestinians, their modus operandi for the past months are done unless they want to really start killing international citizens.

There’s a reason the Ukrainian war hasn’t killed a bunch of food and aid workers and it’s not because Putin can’t do it.

There was a ceasefire before October 7th

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

U.N. Team Finds Grounds to Support Reports of Sexual Violence in Hamas Attack

The United Nations experts also said that they had “clear and convincing information” that hostages seized in Israel on Oct. 7 had been sexually abused in Gaza, and that they had looked into reports of abuse of Palestinians in Israeli detention.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Robbie3000]

Exactly, I don’t understand the sympathy lefties have for Hamas. Hamas should put Palestinian interests first and they aren’t. They care more about keeping the little control they have

It’s not sympathy for Hamas you muppet. It’s sympathy for the Palestinian people who have had to endure the equivalent of ten 9/11s, ethnic cleansing and famine with the use of OUR money and weapons

 

[nyknick]

‘We were constantly in terror’: Israeli hostage tells of captivity in Gaza

Taken from her home on 7 October with three of her children, Chen Almog-Goldstein recalls being held captive by Hamas

www.theguardian.com

Chen Almog-Goldstein refuses to forget her eldest daughter’s last moments. Yam, 20, was gasping for breath, having been shot in the face by Hamas gunmen, who minutes earlier had killed her father.

Almog-Goldstein, 49, did not see Yam or her husband, Nadav, again because she and her three surviving children were bundled into a car and abducted. During the seven-minute journey across the border into Gaza on 7 October, their two captors smiled and took photographs of the traumatised mother and children.

The family was moved repeatedly from tunnels to apartments, and later to a supermarket and a mosque, sometimes on foot and once on a donkey cart, as the bombardment around them intensified. Almog-Goldstein was more worried at times that she and her daughter, Agam, 17, and sons Gal, 11, and Tal, nine, would be killed by the Israeli offensive than by their captors, who once shielded the family with their bodies as shrapnel rained around them.

The family, who were released on 26 November as part of a week-long ceasefire deal, are trying to rebuild their lives but they still don’t have a permanent home.

On some days, they were allowed to spend time in a child’s toy-filled bedroom, but they would spent most nights sleeping on mattresses in the corridor. They were not physically harmed and often ate pitta and cheese with their captors until food became scarce.

They were always watched over by at least three of their six heavily armed guards. “Because some of them would go and fight and then come back, that’s what they told us,” Almog-Goldstein said.

The family tried to establish a relationship with their guards, engaging them in long conversations as part of a “survival mechanism”. Two spoke some English and another was learning Hebrew.

“They kept on telling us they’re not going to harm us and that we were very important to them,” Almog-Goldstein said. “But we were always terrified they would flip on us, that they’d get an order from someone to harm us, because clearly they were low-ranking cogs in the machine. We were constantly in angst or terror.”

From there, the family were taken on a 40-minute walk to a supermarket. It was then that they saw the damage wreaked by the Israeli offensive for the first time.

“I saw a lot of devastation and destruction,” Almog-Goldstein said. “It made me feel terrible seeing such poverty. It was very difficult to see that. It was not a great feeling of: ‘Oh great, we Israelis showed them.’”

The three guards apologised for making the family sleep in a storage room in the supermarket but said they had some hope that the war was about to end.

The next day the supermarket was hit by shrapnel from an Israeli aerial bombardment. “It was atrocious. It was the first time we really felt like our lives were in danger,” Almog-Goldstein said.

“We heard the constant shelling and bombing getting closer and closer and could already see all the stones flying around and the rubble and shrapnel. It was closing up on us to the point where the Hamas guards put mattresses over us on the floor to cover us, and then they covered us with their bodies to protect us from our own forces’ shooting.”

When the supermarket was hit again, the Palestinians living in apartments upstairs were evacuated. The family’s guards began arguing in the pitch dark outside about where to take them next.

“But there was massive bombardment again,” said Almog-Goldstein. “There was bombs falling and they shoved us against the wall to protect us.”

“Whenever I’m talking about a shock wave from a bombing, what it actually means is that doorframes get blown out, windows shatter and the Palestinians just put some blankets up, fix it up to the best of their ability, and carry on. But the bodily toll it took on us was unimaginable,” Almog-Goldstein said.

From there, there was another school filled with tents where Palestinian families were sheltering. Many assumed the Almog-Goldsteins were also displaced from the war and offered them food and water.

“Every encounter with captives in Gaza was truly exciting,” said Almog-Goldstein. “But three of the women were wounded, some had complex injuries, and some spoke about sexual assaults.”

She said the group discussed reporting the allegations to a Hamas commander on their release. “By and large, the Hamas commanders seemed to be receptive enough that we thought there might be a chance of relaying it,” she said.

But she doesn’t know whether that happened because most of the women were left behind. She is now desperate for the remaining hostages to return home, but added: “Having experienced how horrendous the fighting and bombardment was, I can’t really understand how you can both have that and care for the captives that are there.”

 

[bright black]

U.N. Team Finds Grounds to Support Reports of Sexual Violence in Hamas Attack

The United Nations experts also said that they had “clear and convincing information” that hostages seized in Israel on Oct. 7 had been sexually abused in Gaza, and that they had looked into reports of abuse of Palestinians in Israeli detention.

www.nytimes.com

The U.N. report said that its team also heard allegations of sexual violence against Palestinians that implicated Israeli security forces and settlers.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Yup that has been shared here. I don’t think people have spent months denying the possibility of that however.

 

[bright black]

Yup that has been shared here. I don’t think people have spent months denying the possibility of that however.

I dont think people have spent months talking about palestinians being raped by the idf and settlers.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

I dont think people have spent months talking about palestinians being raped by the idf and settlers.

Yeah sure thing man

 

[Pressure]

Invoke 9/11 in defense of terrorists attacks brehs .

As if that didn't lead to regime change and two decades of occupation

 

[88m3]

Invoke 9/11 in defense of terrorists attacks brehs .

As if that didn't lead to regime change and two decades of occupation

Wiping out the Jews is all that matters


the lengths people go through to dehumanize them is telling


it's also strange to watch the lengths people are going to about sovereignty/land and religion in hl

 

[Robbie3000]

Invoke 9/11 in defense of terrorists attacks brehs .

As if that didn't lead to regime change and two decades of occupation

Net and Yahoo and IDF are terrorists who have inflicted the equivalent of ten 9/11s on an already desperate population.

Wiping out the Jews is all that matters


the lengths people go through to dehumanize them is telling


it's also strange to watch the lengths people are going to about sovereignty/land and religion in hl

Who’s wiping out who? Israel is currently conducting a genocide and ethnic cleansing operation against a civilian population.


You Zionists nitwits need to cut the shyt. Your gaslighting is not going to work when we can all see in HD what is taking place in the region.