The Official Israel-Gaza Thread

[ADevilYouKhow]

i read a pro israeli on twitter saying they allegedly put hijab on these guys which made it hard to identify them, but that doesnt make it any better. that would mean the IDF is shooting palestinian women on sight.

Twitter

 

[NZA]

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/16/1219826061/israel-hostages-gaza-hamas-palestinians

"Israel's military says hostages waved a white flag before being killed by a soldier"

TEL AVIV, Israel — An investigation into the killing of three hostages held by Hamas in Gaza has found that the captives were shirtless and waving a white flag as Israel soldiers fired on them.

damn, it's even worse than speculated

 

[Pressure]

The fact they can’t tell an Israeli from a Palestinian would in an Oscar bait movie be a moment of self reflection about how much more similar we all are.

So we can put the white supremacy shyt to the side?

But I am to believe that Israel is trying their best to minimise civilian casualties though....

Alright then. Whatever you say.

From who? No one believes that.

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/16/1219826061/israel-hostages-gaza-hamas-palestinians

"Israel's military says hostages waved a white flag before being killed by a soldier"

TEL AVIV, Israel — An investigation into the killing of three hostages held by Hamas in Gaza has found that the captives were shirtless and waving a white flag as Israel soldiers fired on them.

damn, it's even worse than speculated

At least you did some research after posting the hijab propoganda.

 

[Hood Critic]

Here’s what’s wild: the Israelis have never offered the Palestinians a state, ever. That’s a fact. But if you say that here in the U.S. you sound like a madman, because the line here is that they kept turning down great offers. Now finally this extreme right wing govt in Israel is saying out loud that they have never offered that to the Palestinians. Here’s Mark Regev talking about how even Yitzhak Rabin, before he was assassinated, said in a major speech: “the Palestinians will have less than a state.” It’s utterly disorienting to see them admitting all this, even though it’s basic, easily obtained historical knowledge. It’s just always been lied about here.

The Coli loves to use this line of thinking.

 

[Pressure]

The Coli loves to use this line of thinking

If you frame a state under these specific terms then no.

Saying they weren’t offered statehood because they weren’t given pre 1948 borders and control over Jerusalem is what most call starting at the conclusion and attempting to work from there.

Can I ask you a better question:

When did they ever have their own state?

Would they be in a better position today if they took those deals and not this Islamic fantasy?

And if none of these deals are suitable then go fight to last man.

 

[mastermind]

The Coli loves to use this line of thinking.

These dudes are proudly ahistorical.

 

[Pressure]

We spend so much time trying to talk about why Palestinians are justified for their terrorism, hate etc, but pretend like Israelis haven’t been the target of violent attacks by their Arab neighbors for 70 years.

If Israel made hamas, the Arabs made Israel what it is today

 

[Pressure]

These dudes are proudly ahistorical.

More ahistorical than a post saying Palestinians were never offered statehood then as evidence saying they were right to reject the offer of statehood at the camp David accords?

 

[mastermind]

More ahistorical than a post saying Palestinians were never offered statehood then as evidence saying they were right to reject the offer of statehood at the camp David accords?

About as historical as saying they should take those “‘bad’ deals” because they would be in a better condition today,” because that’s what happens historically with settler projects.

 

[FAH1223]

And there are many, many, many more countries where just being born there doesn't make you a citizen.

Those 5 million ppl can be "taken care of" without being citizens. Permanent Resident status exists

What does being taken care of mean in your eyes? Cause checkpoints, water shutoffs, blockades doesn’t seem right

 

[OfTheCross]

What does being taken care of mean in your eyes? Cause checkpoints, water shutoffs, blockades doesn’t seem right

Presuming they're peaceful residents of Israel... they'd be treated the same way Permanent Residents get treated in America.

If they act like terrorists and insurrectionists, then obviously they'll be treated accordingly.

 

[FAH1223]

If you frame a state under these specific terms then no.

Saying they weren’t offered statehood because they weren’t given pre 1948 borders and control over Jerusalem is what most call starting at the conclusion and attempting to work from there.

Can I ask you a better question:

When did they ever have their own state?

Would they be in a better position today if they took those deals and not this Islamic fantasy?

And if none of these deals are suitable then go fight to last man.

Palestinian nationalism isn’t an “Islamist” project. The biggest nationalist figures in the beginning were actually Christians like a George Habash many years ago.

And Mark Regev and now today Netanyahu are telling you what the deal is. Oslo Accords were never going to be fulfilled if they had a hand in it. Since 1993, the settlements have expanded in the WB. Israel didn’t do their commitments. This is all well known.

All these Israeli officials are saying there will never be a Palestinian state. It’s important for the western countries to take them at their word.

Netanyahu today:

 

[FAH1223]

Presuming they're peaceful residents of Israel... they'd be treated the same way Permanent Residents get treated in America.

If they act like terrorists and insurrectionists, then obviously they'll be treated accordingly.

So the apartheid style way of the West Bank would have to be eliminated for that to happen. The different roads, the water diversions, etc

 

[OfTheCross]

So the apartheid style way of the West Bank would have to be eliminated for that to happen. The different roads, the water diversions, etc

Sure, in our imaginary 1-State solution, that would be ideal.

 

[mastermind]

Palestinian nationalism isn’t an “Islamist” project. The biggest nationalist figures in the beginning were actually Christians like a George Habash many years ago.

He doesn’t know what he is talking about. He is proudly ahistorical.