The Official Israel-Gaza Thread
If hamas had the equivalent power of the netanyahu admin +mossad+ the armed forces combination, how will the country turn out? More or less modern? More or less free? More or less successful? Seriously asking.
its over 500 now.......................3 still dead
no wonder israel keeps instigating them
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One funny thing about my trip there were a bunch of guys talking one night and the Palestinian issue came up. Everyone agreed they didn't like Israel but they hated Iran even more for being Shia. Maybe hated is strong but they didnt care if America hit them.
If hamas had the equivalent power of the netanyahu admin +mossad+ the armed forces combination, how will the country turn out? More or less modern? More or less free? More or less successful? Seriously asking.
It doesn't make sense though. That's my point. Hamas is a militant resistance group. Saying you support Israel's actions because what would happen if Hamas took over is like saying you support apartheid cause if the ANC had power everyone would be tortured to death (which is what the ANC was doing to people). Plus it's also skirting the issue that there are a ton of leftist Palestinian resistance groups too so it's not just about Hamas. Palestinian resistance groups like pan-arabist groups used to be secular leftists. the west wasn't into that either. The counterfactual has already been tried here.
As for the general point. There are huge volumes of Europeans arguing that they should stay in Africa and Asia and other colonies because they're more "civilized" than the locals. It's not a valid argument. If you took a poll of Gaza right now everyone would be against blockade and bombardment. Israel's peace with Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Jordan and all these places is based on non-free governments cooperating with them. Don't even pretend like it's about the occupied population's "freedom."
The Egyptians don't want that work.
good idea!
we should also set-up some type of geopolitical fantasy league where we can bet on or accumulate points based on our predictions of things such as:
- the outcome of wars
- where the next terrorist attack will likely occur
- where the next civil war will take place
- which dictator will be toppled next
- which terrorist leader is going to be killed next, etc etc
yea,I know it's fukked up but
they like shooters in the ghetto
cowards are killing babiesMy logic on this conflict is specific to this conflict. On many occasions it has been clearly stated that the intent of a very dangerous however big group wants to wipe israel off the map, as soon as they are able to. Widespread success for any of these resistance groups will create the environment needed for this plan to be developed and executed. Similar to us being in iraq/afghanistan, yet us also trying to live there at the same time.
I would have abstained from SA apartheid struggles as a government at the time or would have put some sanctions on SA until Mandela proved himself, which he quickly did as remarkable. If the Palestinians had a Mandela or a Gandhi its a whole nother ball game friend. I supported the chetniks over josef broz as well even though josefs regime resulted in a fairly successful yugoslavia. Cant just cherry pick my logic in a given case and apply it to others necessarily.
No, it wouldn't be different. Israel opposes palestinian statehood or recognition on any front, not just that of certain groups' actions. All the The West Bank gets for their cooperation with Israel is expansioning settlements, split roads and fences, and general harassment and discrimination. Hamas actually works with Israel--this man they just assassinated was in two way truce talks (probably a fake on Israel's part) before they got him. Your "freedom" argument for supporting these actions is laughable, the exact same as burning a village to "save" it.
Like I said there is not going to be any military solution to this problem. But meanwhile people like you who don't count occupation blockade and war as a problem can stop pretending rigging fences around a population and killing a bunch from time to time is "freedom."
Stop grandstanding on strawlegs...your argument has frail ankles.
good luck in delivering the "vermin" their "freedom" through wild flights of hypothetical fancy breh as death and destruction rains down on them for the better half of a century
Props for Egypt for not letting these hoe ass country's stop them from supporting whats right.