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[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

Who does England have as another CF/Striker to replace Harry Kane!?

 

[gho3st]

Everybody picking their scapegoat.

But I've said from day one, no one can shine with this sort of player playing as #10

Yeah, Madrid had no problem benching Joselu and playing Vinicius as striker and Jude would just run into space. Good luck running into Mbappe space.

Dog. You letting your hate shine through. What do you have a against Jude?? we all can tell you hatin bc hes playing in a position you think Foden should be playing in

Ive never called anybody a muppet on here, but you are as muppet as muppets come . Disgusting behavior my guy. I see why nikkas sht on you so much in this thread

 

[SubZeroDegrees]

right now?

He been stinking it up all tournament but that goal he poached in the first game distracted the people who only see the game one way.

In three years when he's at Liverpool or Tottenham don't forget Senor Yayo Toure told you Jude was shyt long before.

He's been shytting for a while.

The Champs League tie v yall.
The Champs League Final outside of the assist
This tournament

 

[gho3st]

He's been shytting for a while.

The Champs League tie v yall.
The Champs League Final outside of the assist
This tournament

He should be playing next Rice tbh

 

[SubZeroDegrees]

He should be playing next Rice tbh

He definitely not a 10 like @Yayo Toure just said.

 

[MikelArteta]

At the bolded - I was with Southgate up until the 2022 World Cup. He's had his run and the only way he's gonna keep his job is to win this Euro...

Basically, he has to go.

he has to go blud he has to go

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Brehs how much emphasis should be placed in the fact the no English manager has won the Premier League since it's inception? Is tactical illiteracy a thing in the English game?

It's a lot more complex than that. That goes way beyond the PL. You can go back to 1966 and the lack of planning to build on after the world cup win. Further than that Hungary 6-3 win in 53. But there are so many parts to it you don't really know where to begin. England also had the blueprint in Total Football over a century ago but no-one was interested in it in England so it got taken on the road and the rest is history. England have been playing catch up ever since.

The long and short of it is English football coaches for decades have relied on freestyle football for the attack. Keep it tight at the back with solid defensive set up have runners and execute set pieces are the basics. The attack consists of hollywood ball over the top for the pacy runner. When it comes to the attacking third it's put crosses into the box and if you cannot win the first ball win the second one. Nick a goal from a set piece. And some hero ball/hope for some individual brilliance thrown in when it's a struggle to score. Don't make a sub before the 70th min because they dont want to disrupt the structure and when they do its either a like for like sub. So pace for pace or a aerial threat.

This is pretty much how generations of footballers and coaches were taught football growing up. Its only within the last decade that this has changed. The cycle has been rinsed repeated for decades.

To quote Arry Redknapp in 2015 book

By the end of the 1970s, Ossie Ardiles, Ricky Villa (both Spurs), Arnold Muhren and Frans Thijssen (both Ipswich) had come to our game. It was the beginning of the thought process that foreign players were needed for the skilful jobs because our own players weren’t up to it.

Much of the blame for that can be laid at the door of Charles Hughes. The former PE teacher became the assistant director of coaching at the Football Association and rose to a position of great power and influence in the game.

Under him, we missed an opportunity, thinking that we could teach the Brazilians about football rather than the other way around.

We told ourselves that Brazil were getting it wrong with all those passes!

Even now, there are very few British coaches bold enough to try to play a very technical game. The long ball, the quick fix, will always be easier.

All of the coaching courses back then were run by men like Hughes. There was no flair — it was football as taught by PE instructors.

Some of them had even been to Brazil, but they returned with some madcap ideas.

Brazilian footballers hone their skills on the beach, we were told. It was where they learned to control a football and, we were informed, that was how we should do it, too.

Where the manager of, say, Derby County was going to find a beach when his training ground was about 70 miles inland, I don’t know. I will never forget there was a silence as we digested this brilliant insight. Some years later, I heard it repeated in the company of no-nonsense manager Jim Smith. ‘The beach?’ he said. ‘In that case, why aren’t Torquay, Southend and f*****g Brighton and Hove Albion top of the league?’

They had no answer to that.

The rest of Europe was moving towards total football, and we were going into an era when we stopped trusting our most skilful players.

Alan Hudson (two caps), Tony Currie (17 caps), Stan Bowles (five caps), Rodney Marsh (nine caps), Peter Osgood (four caps) — England had players that, technically, could have made any team in the world. We just didn’t pick them.

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

Who does England have as another CF/Striker to replace Harry Kane!?

Toney should be Kanes replacement but its Ollie Watkins who let's be honest hasn't looked good at international level. Toney is only in the England squad to come on in the 118th min to take a pen.

 

[Jean toomer]

My how this squad misses Sterling

Conflate club and international form crehs

Kane misses Sterling like an old side piece. He looks lost out there.

 

[phcitywarrior]

Nairaland gonna kill me. Calling him Finidi Southgate
https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/18508540_20240625221732_jpeg52d84929a520e8c924e2d58cbd51d56a

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

I think it's an under-talked topic.

There's also zero connection between Premiership management and England management. Southgate, Eriksson, Hoddle - none of them had regular experience managing top flight English players when they took the England job.

This goes beyond football. You can replace it with cricket and rugby and the same applies to those sports in England. It comes down to being risk adverse. Rather lose by a narrow margin with a fighting till the last min performance with loads of effort. Than lose by being aggressive and on the front foot with every chance of blowing up spectacularly by being positive from the get go.

The FA think managing Under 21 England prepares you for managing a team that will play France, Spain and Brasil... they should be trying to throw money at proven top flight managers.

Doesn't really have anything to do with that. Plenty of countries promote their u21 coaches to be the NT head coach. Spain's head coach coached the youth set up for a decade. And his club head coaching experience consisted of a cup of coffee with Alaves and being Bilbao B team head coach. Half of the job at international level is managing egos and making everyone dogjt for the same goal. Just look at the Sven McClaren and Capello era teams the players were more interested in club loyalties. At least under Waistcoat he has sorted that out. It comes down to are you a tactician and how positive is your intent. You play to win or to not lose?

Terry Venables knew how to manage a real team. He actually gave us an *exciting* team that were a genuine challenger and he had to have Stuart Pearce out there taking pens... if he'd had this squad we would've looked like Barcefukkinglona.

Venables knew how to man manage as well as tactics. The 4-1 win over Holland in 96 is Venables homage to Dutch football. But the football apart from Holland and Germany games were pretty labouring in Euro 96.

 

[gho3st]

He definitely not a 10 like @Yayo Toure just said.

No. Yaya toure is hating. I think he can play it but saka and foden are no vini n rodrygo on the wing ngs. Rice is no kroos or even carmavinga


Wastecoat took a bunch players setting them up to create via buildup: All the creativity in the middle is down to jude. rice is afraid of the ball in tight space and Maino is not getting that much game time. He took most of the pace out of the team. And set them up to fail tactics wise.


and lets not even start talking about Kane....the reason why England is struggling to
me is all down to Waistcoat, the players he decided to take and the tactics he set them up in

 

[Kunty McPhuck]

My how this squad misses Sterling

Conflate club and international form crehs

Sterling's watch is done. Nor does he solve any of England's problems that were there when he was in the team and in form.

 

[UnQuantized]

Palmer's little cameo and the increasing pressure on Southgate means that Saka will be dropped

 

[ThrobbingHood]

Glad I gave these games a miss.