Coaches Roundtable: Coach K stealing Calipari's thunder?
1. Kentucky Wildcats coach John Calipari goes into the Hall of Fame this weekend while Duke Blue Devils coach Mike Krzyzewski just secured a commitment from another top-20 prospect. Have the defending national champions reclaimed their perch atop the college basketball world?
Fraschilla: I don't think Duke is overshadowing Kentucky. If anything, Duke has adopted the Kentucky model. Coach K was not high on one-and-done guys for a long time. John changed the model. There are very few programs -- maybe it's only Duke and Kentucky -- who can succeed that way. They're the two gold standards. I don't think one program has an advantage over the other. I think it's fun to see them battle back and forth at the top of these recruiting charts because it keeps both programs strong, and that's a good thing for college basketball.
Greenberg: The funny thing is, Cal used to be the villain with one-and-dones. You've got to understand the culture of the game and use the rules to your advantage. Cal understood that early and created a model. The model has been successful. John has been to four Final Fours, won a national championship and had 18 first-round NBA draft picks. Duke has been able to mimic that model in its own way, and now it's building on it. The perception used to be that one-and-dones were bad for college basketball, and now it's a part of the culture. What Coach K has accomplished is remarkable, but to build a program at UMass and to rebuild a Memphis program to one play away from a national championship. And now what he's done at Kentucky. Imagine if he had been at Kentucky for 30 years?
Dakich: I don't think there's a day of the week that you can put Calipari in Coach K's class. You have one guy who's been at Kentucky and has a championship, and another guy has been at Duke for 30 years and has five. I think we give Calipari a lot of credit by comparing him to Coach K. He has a system, it's great, he wins a lot of games, but at that level, the only thing you're thinking about is national titles. Whether that's right or wrong, you can't put Cal in that class.
Fraschilla: One of the things I've admired about Coach K through the years is his ability to adjust. Some coaches do the same thing for 25 years, but whether it's offense, defense or recruiting, no one's been more of a chameleon in a positive way than Coach K. That speaks to his success.
Dakich: Calipari is smart enough to understand he was playing from in front. [George] Steinbrenner knew what the Yankees were. Cal knew what Kentucky was. That's not bad. It's smart. The difference is, Krzyzewski has been in the same place. He's taken this job, and within his own organization, made it great. That's amazing to me. That's got to be one of the most difficult things in coaching.
2. This offseason has again been filled with off-court issues, whether it's underage drinking at Indiana or Eron Harris' drunk driving arrest at Michigan State. How difficult is it to manage players when you're not around them as often?
Greenberg: You can't hold your players' hands 24/7, but I think that you've got to have absolutes, core beliefs and non-negotiables within your program. Your culture has got to be bigger than one player. In the offseason, you're relying on your upperclassmen and their leadership. The times we worry most about our players are when we don't have our hands on them. In the summer, you have fewer opportunities. Boys are going to be boys, but there must be a consequence. Once that consequence is in place, it's got to be enforced, and it's got to be real.
Fraschilla: I did my very best to recruit high-character guys, and I felt like what we asked them to do in our program was difficult and demanding so they had to understand that culture of accountability. Having said that, these are 18-year-old kids and they screw up all the time. That's part of the process of helping these guys grow up. I think of things I did from a discipline standpoint 20 years ago, and I talk to those former players now, and they thank me for that stuff. If it can happen at a Michigan State with Harris, it's just the nature of the way young people are in this culture. You do your best as a coach to set the tone, but we deal with adversity off the court all the time. That's in the job description.
Dakich: There really isn't a coach right now that is allowed to be a tough disciplinarian. Fran was talking about kids thanking him, I think of things that I did that would probably land me in jail. Every time a kid does screw up, it's an opportunity to make your team and your culture better. You can talk your way through certain things, but that doesn't get it done when kids know better. We've seen the public outcry from a bunch of people who have never led a team. Those people have the biggest voice on how you're supposed to lead a team, and that to me is utterly ridiculous.
Fraschilla: When I was a young coach, I was willing to lose games to not lose my culture.
Dakich: I'm out of coaching because of that. There isn't a coaching staff in America that I would say, "They're really tough on discipline," because I don't think you can be. This culture makes discipline very difficult.
Greenberg: We glorify guys by saying, "He's a players' coach." Players are not being held accountable from a young age like they have been in the past.
3. Several high-profile teams including LSU, Kansas, Louisville and Michigan State took international trips this summer. What kind of impact do those trips have on a team's season?
Dakich: I don't think they matter at all. They're great for recruiting. They can bond teams together. Coaches can talk about why they're so important, but what you do in the summer and fall doesn't matter by the time you get to Jan. 1. They're fantastic experiences for everyone who gets to go, but once you get into conference play, does that trip matter? Hell no, in my opinion.
Greenberg: For teams that take those trips, do you have to worry about burning out? There are benefits when it comes to developing relationships and a trust. There's a little concern about when do you reboot your team and get back going?
Dakich: Back in the day, we couldn't see players in the summer. Now that you can, it almost makes the trip less important.
Fraschilla: Like any other part of coaching, these trips are an art form. When I was at Manhattan, my philosophy was, we kill them from September to March as it is. We were going to get good practice time in and make guys better individually, but these games will never be seen nationally. We wanted bonding and game experience, but I did not want to burn them out.
His numbers are better than Mullin, Mourning and Rodman. Why isn't Jack Sikma in HOF?
In the 1985 version of his annual Baseball Abstract, sabermetrics pioneer Bill James introduced the
"Keltner List" as a method of assessing whether players belong in the Hall of Fame. The Keltner List, a series of questions summarizing a player's career, has been adopted by basketball.
Neil Paine of FiveThirtyEight even used it in
a series for ESPN Insider a couple of years ago.
Today, though, I want to focus on a specific question posed by the Keltner List:
"Is [this player] the very best player in [NBA] history who is not in the Hall of Fame?"
Since Artis Gilmore earned his long-overdue spot in the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 2011, there hasn't been a clear answer to the question. Excluding players new to the ballot, I think there is one player who now stands above his peers as the best overlooked by the Hall of Fame: Former Seattle SuperSonics and Milwaukee Bucks center Jack Sikma.
The Case for Sikma
Note: In full disclosure, I am a little biased here. Sikma helped lead my favorite team, the Sonics, to their only championship in 1979. Having settled in the Seattle area, he later worked for the team as an assistant coach at the same time I did while covering the Sonics for their website. So as much as possible, I'm going to rely on numbers to make the case for me. Though Sikma isn't necessarily tops in every important category, he ranks among the leading non-Hall of Famers in several of them.
Let's start with Win Shares, the James-inspired measure of player value that Basketball-Reference.com has tracked through 1977-78 and estimated before that, making it the most complete list. Among eligible Hall of Famers who have not been selected, Sikma ranks third (
and 51st overall):
Sikma by Win Shares
Player Years First Last Win Shares
Buck Williams 17 1981-82 1997-98 120.1
Horace Grant 17 1987-88 2003-04 118.2
Jack Sikma 14 1977-78 1990-91 112.5
Terry Porter 17 1985-86 2001-02 110.4
Larry Nance 13 1981-82 1993-94 109.6
Because of the way it credits 3-point attempts for their spacing effect, my wins above replacement player (WARP) stat is not quite as favorable to Sikma. He ranks a bit lower despite the fact that I've only calculated WARP back through 1977-78, the first season player turnovers were tracked (and, coincidentally, Sikma's rookie season):
Jack Sikma by WARP
Player Years First Last WARP
Tim Hardaway 13 1989-90 2002-03 148.7
Mark Jackson 17 1987-88 2003-04 138.6
Chris Webber 15 1993-94 2007-08 136.2
Terry Porter 17 1985-86 2001-02 134.7
Larry Nance 13 1981-82 1993-94 131.1
Mookie Blaylock 13 1989-90 2001-02 129.1
Jack Sikma 14 1977-78 1990-91 124.5
For a last measure of player value, we can look at Basketball-Reference.com's value over replacement player (VORP) stat, calculated from their box plus-minus statistic.
Here,
Sikma ranks 44th in NBA history, though there are a few more eligible players not in the Hall of Fame ahead of him:
Jack Sikma by VORP
Player Years From To VORP
Larry Nance 13 1981-82 1993-94 47.9
Chris Webber 15 1993-94 2007-08 45.9
Vlade Divac 16 1989-90 2004-05 45.3
Eddie Jones 14 1994-95 2007-08 45.1
Horace Grant 17 1987-88 2003-04 44.4
Jeff Hornacek 14 1986-87 2099-00 43.2
Jack Sikma 14 1977-78 1990-91 42.0
Each all-in-one stat comes up with a slightly different list. But nobody's ahead of Sikma on all three of them. The strongest argument for Sikma is probably looking at All-Star appearances. As we lament each February, the All-Star process doesn't always pick the best 24 players in the league.
Still, it's a good way to capture how players were viewed in their time. Sikma was chosen for every All-Star Game from 1978-79, his second season, through 1984-85.
And while that total of seven might not sound remarkable, only one eligible player not in the Hall of Fame has more All-Star selections: 1950s center Larry Foust, who made eight appearances in an era where there were typically more than twice as many spots on the All-Star roster (20) as teams (eight).
In fact,
as Justin Kubatko noted in looking at Sikma's Hall of Fame candidacy earlier this year, Jo Jo White's selection means every eligible Hall of Fame candidate with precisely seven All-Star appearances save Sikma has been chosen. Even if we expand the criteria in either direction to look at players with between six and eight All-Star selections, 33 out of 38 eligible players have made the Hall of Fame.
As a result,
Basketball-Reference.com's Hall of Fame probability suggests an 87 percent chance of Sikma being chosen based on his statistics and honors. The aforementioned Foust is the only eligible player with a higher Hall of Fame probability who has not been chosen.
Sikma not in consideration?
Given all that, it's strange that Sikma has never even been chosen a finalist by the Hall of Fame's selection committee. Perhaps his career doesn't resonate with voters. While Sikma won a championship and went to a pair of Finals with the Sonics, they came during one of the league's most forgettable eras. He played NAIA college basketball at tiny Illinois Wesleyan University and spent his entire NBA career in the outposts of Seattle and Milwaukee. To the extent Sikma is part of the basketball zeitgeist at this point, it's mostly because of
his famous blonde perm from the 1980s.
In part, that's probably explained by the fact that Sikma was very good for a long period of time rather than great. He never made an All-NBA team, since the two center spots were locked up by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Moses Malone during his prime. (Hall of Famer Robert Parish, in 1981-82, was the only center to displace them between 1978-79 and 1985-86.) Sikma did finish in the top 10 in MVP voting twice, peaking at seventh in 1978-79.
Some of this, too, can surely be explained by the Hall of Fame's
opaque voting process and
nebulous standards. When compared to players elected over the past five years, Sikma's core résumé compares favorably. (See chart at bottom)
That might not necessarily make Sikma the
very best eligible player who's not in the Hall of Fame, but it certainly makes him a deserving candidate for enshrinement in Springfield, Massachusetts.
Recent HOFers and Sikma
Player Induction All-Star Win Shares
Artis Gilmore* 2011 11 189.7
Reggie Miller 2012 5 174.4
Gary Payton 2013 9 145.5
Chet Walker 2012 7 117.4
Dikembe Mutombo 2015 8 117.0
Chris Mullin 2011 5 93.1
Dennis Rodman 2011 2 89.8
Alonzo Mourning 2014 7 89.7
Mitch Richmond 2014 6 79.3
Spencer Haywood 2015 5 78.5
Bernard King 2013 4 75.4
Jamaal Wilkes 2012 3 71.3
Roger Brown* 2013 4 65.3
Mel Daniels* 2012 7 64.8
Jo Jo White 2015 7 54.0
Ralph Sampson 2012 4 20.1
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Jack Sikma - 7 112.5