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So Bendis leaving X-Men after Secret Wars. He's still got a couple more months, but can we all agree his legacy and work on it was :trash:? Almost Chuck Austen levels of :trash: Well, not quite, but it was bad.

He started off with Cyclops using cheesy old school Magneto-esque rhetoric about a mutant revolution. That leads to one of the dumbest most inexplicable plot lines ever, Beast acting completely out of character and pulling the original X-Men into the present on the hope that somehow seeing them would make Cyclops rethink his vague "mutant revolution." It made no sense because...

1. Someone as smart as Beast would know better than to fukk with the timestream like that.

2. Where is the logic in hoping that their presence would make Cyclops reconsider, and why is he so convinced of this hair-brained scheme that he would disrupt the space-time continuum in order to do it?

3. Exactly what is there for him to reconsider? Cyclops never explained what his mutant revolution would consist of.

4. Of all the shyt the X-Men have been through, Apocalypse, Cassandra Nova, Dark Phoenix, Bastion, Operation: Zero Tolerance, Onslaught, Proteus, Magneto various conquests, the Schism, etc. THIS is what finally makes Beast decide to do something as drastic as bringing the original X-Men into the future? Cyclops moving into a secret lair and making mild threats on television?

The move fails because it doesn't faze Cyclops and his views at all and they original X-Men get stuck in the present, making Beast look like a reckless complete moron. The rest of Jean Grey school just accepts this colossal, disastrous fukk up from Beast like it was nothing and goes about their business.

This leads to one of the shyttiest, most pointless books ever, All New X-Men. And it later leads into the worst X-Men crossover event of all time, Battle of the Atom. Not one word of one panel of one book of BOA was remotely compelling. 100% pure garbage.

Then he does another pointless ill-conceived plot, The Trial of Jean Grey, for the sole purpose of forcing a crossover between the two teams he writes, X-Men and GOTG. Trash. :camby:

Probably one of the most interesting thing he did was have this plot about these mystery Sentinel attacks on the X-Men by a disguised figure in a helmet. There was a decent amount of suspense in figuring out who the villian was. It turns out to be, wait for it....

Dark Beast!!!!

:stopitslime: :aicmon: :camby: Who gives a fukk about Dark Beast? A mid-level retread villain. The only villains he uses are Dark Beast, Sabretooth, and Mystique, like we haven't seen enough of them.

He made Magneto more :flabbynsick: than ever with a bald head and an ugly new costume.

He did bring back Dazzler, who is not an A-lister, but a pretty cool character imo. :ehh: Eva Bell seem like an decent character. And he writes a good Magick. That's about all I can say he did good. This Matthew Malloy thing is eh. It's not bad, but we've seen the whole disturbed uber-powerful mutant who can't control his powers plenty of times before...Legion, Proteus, etc. Nothing new here.

And what makes it all even more dumb is after all that, CYCLOPS DID NOTHING. All this talk about a mutant revolution and Beast desperately violating the laws of physics and all this time traveling bullshyt, Cyclops didn't do anything but go live in a hole in the Canadian wilderness and indoctrinate kids while hiding from the federal government like some paranoid right wing militia cac cult leader in army fatigues with a two-way radio, an AR-15, and a Bible. :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:

F-.

It's a shame because Kieron Gillen had UXM going before his quality run was unceremoniously ended.
 
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I am hoping that Bendis' next announcement is that he is leaving Guardians of the Galaxy. Comparing his bullshyt to the run that Abnett and Lanning had is like comparing a Tyler Perry movie to The Godfather.
 

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Yo for real, did they really have BP wasting time talking shyt instead of pressing the damn button?:why:

Real talk, New Avengers overall is a good story, but T'Challa has been written as a low key (and incompetent) loser, taking L's left and right, alot of them are of his own doing. He's becoming more and more of a joke. More "deconstruction" I guess.

Bout to throw the book to the bushes at this point.

Yea I agree. For a story that's dragged on waay too long, it has had eye catching moments... but Hickman clearly wasn't the answer to giving Black Panther some redemption. It was all just a big tease.

They masked it like it was a T'Challa led team book but really the whole run was just one big excuse for Hickman to dikk ride Reed Richards as this nigh-infallible, mary sue-esque 'Batman' of the marvel universe.

Which hey, i don't mind or care if he wants to make Richards out as that... but don't continuously punk out T'Challa in the process.

So BP in the last few years has:

  • Near assassinated and blown up/left near dead by Dr. Doom (didn't get payback)
  • Got stripped of his title and kingship in favor of his sister
  • All his vibranium destroyed, a gun put to his mom's head by Doom's lackeys, was going to let Doom kill his wife (Storm) to save the vibranium that he ended up losing anyway, his cat god says Doom is the salvation to everything... And when its all said and done he just lets Doom go.
  • Has his wife leave him in the most contrived bullshyt story ever and starts fukkin wolverine all of a sudden
  • Has his country flooded by Namor but then invites Namor to be in the illuminati and invites him into his country
  • Has everyone find out he invited Namor in and gets effectively exiled from wakanda
  • his female stable of loyal body guards essentially tell him he aint shyt
  • His father and all his ancestors tell him he ain't shyt and want nothing to do with him, ever
  • Wakanda is destroyed
  • His sister is killed
  • His arrogance not only botched his attempt at Namor's life but, as a domino effect, essentially ruined the greater goal of killing the Cabal...
There's a fine line between being deconstructed and being castrated, and they aint fooling anyone at this point.
 

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Yea I agree. For a story that's dragged on waay too long, it has had eye catching moments... but Hickman clearly wasn't the answer to giving Black Panther some redemption. It was all just a big tease.

They masked it like it was a T'Challa led team book but really the whole run was just one big excuse for Hickman to dikk ride Reed Richards as this nigh-infallible, mary sue-esque 'Batman' of the marvel universe.

Which hey, i don't mind or care if he wants to make Richards out as that... but don't continuously punk out T'Challa in the process.

So BP in the last few years has:

  • Near assassinated and blown up/left near dead by Dr. Doom (didn't get payback)
  • Got stripped of his title and kingship in favor of his sister
  • All his vibranium destroyed, a gun put to his mom's head by Doom's lackeys, was going to let Doom kill his wife (Storm) to save the vibranium that he ended up losing anyway, his cat god says Doom is the salvation to everything... And when its all said and done he just lets Doom go.
  • Has his wife leave him in the most contrived bullshyt story ever and starts fukkin wolverine all of a sudden
  • Has his country flooded by Namor but then invites Namor to be in the illuminati and invites him into his country
  • Has everyone find out he invited Namor in and gets effectively exiled from wakanda
  • his female stable of loyal body guards essentially tell him he aint shyt
  • His father and all his ancestors tell him he ain't shyt and want nothing to do with him, ever
  • Wakanda is destroyed
  • His sister is killed
  • His arrogance not only botched his attempt at Namor's life but, as a domino effect, essentially ruined the greater goal of killing the Cabal...
There's a fine line between being deconstructed and being castrated, and they aint fooling anyone at this point.

Word, it's fukkin pathetic. Hickman managed to make me have legit dislike for my favorite character, and not in a good / clever way / in-character way at all. Never thought it would ever happen. :snoop:

Good thing BP is having his movie and will show up in civil war. And I hope the MCU makes sure to bring him (and Wakanda) back to his essence, and not portray him as a punk ass bytch.
 

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So Bendis leaving X-Men after Secret Wars. He's still got a couple more months, but can we all agree his legacy and work on it was :trash:? Almost Chuck Austen levels of :trash: Well, not quite, but it was bad.

He started off with Cyclops using cheesy old school Magneto-esque rhetoric about a mutant revolution. That leads to one of the dumbest most inexplicable plot lines ever, Beast acting completely out of character and pulling the original X-Men into the present on the hope that somehow seeing them would make Cyclops rethink his vague "mutant revolution." It made no sense because...

1. Someone as smart as Beast would know better than to fukk with the timestream like that.

2. Where is the logic in hoping that their presence would make Cyclops reconsider, and why is he so convinced of this hair-brained scheme that he would disrupt the space-time continuum in order to do it?

3. Exactly what is there for him to reconsider? Cyclops never explained what his mutant revolution would consist of.

4. Of all the shyt the X-Men have been through, Apocalypse, Cassandra Nova, Dark Phoenix, Bastion, Operation: Zero Tolerance, Onslaught, Proteus, Magneto various conquests, the Schism, etc. THIS is what finally makes Beast decide to do something as drastic as bringing the original X-Men into the future? Cyclops moving into a secret lair and making mild threats on television?

The move fails because it doesn't faze Cyclops and his views at all and they original X-Men get stuck in the present, making Beast look like a reckless complete moron. The rest of Jean Grey school just accepts this colossal, disastrous fukk up from Beast like it was nothing and goes about their business.

This leads to one of the shyttiest, most pointless books ever, All New X-Men. And it later leads into the worst X-Men crossover event of all time, Battle of the Atom. Not one word of one panel of one book of BOA was remotely compelling. 100% pure garbage.

Then he does another pointless ill-conceived plot, The Trial of Jean Grey, for the sole purpose of forcing a crossover between the two teams he writes, X-Men and GOTG. Trash. :camby:

Probably one of the most interesting thing he did was have this plot about these mystery Sentinel attacks on the X-Men by a disguised figure in a helmet. There was a decent amount of suspense in figuring out who the villian was. It turns out to be, wait for it....

Dark Beast!!!!

:stopitslime: :aicmon: :camby: Who gives a fukk about Dark Beast? A mid-level retread villain. The only villains he uses are Dark Beast, Sabretooth, and Mystique, like we haven't seen enough of them.

He made Magneto more :flabbynsick: than ever with a bald head and an ugly new costume.

He did bring back Dazzler, who is not an A-lister, but a pretty cool character imo. :ehh: Eva Bell seem like an decent character. And he writes a good Magick. That's about all I can say he did good. This Matthew Malloy thing is eh. It's not bad, but we've seen the whole disturbed uber-powerful mutant who can't control his powers plenty of times before...Legion, Proteus, etc. Nothing new here.

And what makes it all even more dumb is after all that, CYCLOPS DID NOTHING. All this talk about a mutant revolution and Beast desperately violating the laws of physics and all this time traveling bullshyt, Cyclops didn't do anything but go live in a hole in the Canadian wilderness and indoctrinate kids while hiding from the federal government like some paranoid right wing militia cac cult leader in army fatigues with a two-way radio, an AR-15, and a Bible. :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead: :dead:

F-.

It's a shame because Kieron Gillen had UXM going before his quality run was unceremoniously ended.
No one can explain why they are so Scared of cyke. He's done nothing violent at all and they act like he's 90s magneto
 

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Marvel announced this yesterday btw

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I guess I'm the only one who finds it interesting that T'Challa is reaching a low point he'll have to crawl back from. He's conflicted in trying his hardest not to be like Namor, but everything that needs to be done requirs him to become more like Namor. The really embarrassing stuff (begging Storm not to fukk Logan, filling in for Daredevil) were not on Hickman btw.
 

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Really like the A-Force idea hopefully it turns out well it's about time all the marvel a-list heroines got in a group together, glad Bendis is leaving the x-books as the breh said above his run was a big ass waste of time tbh the franchise needs to BIG change of focus. The two teams need to quit being fukking babies and get back together as one unit this separation shyt focuses too much on the same characters.
 

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Of the bullets i listed, the first half were pre-Hickman but taken all together, it shows that T'Challa has been at a low point since 2009.. That's the major problem: we've been waitin for his ass to crawl out from the bullshyt since Norman Osborne was the muthafukkin Iron Patriot :scust:


Conceptually, kickin someone to the dirt and pissin/shyttin on their grave with the 'interest' of seeing how they'll crawl out from it can be a great storyline. It is no longer interesting however when you're on year 7 of the piss and shyt fest.

At least with Captain America and Tony Stark, their appearances aren't solely regulated to one title or they'll typically have great portrayals in other books to off-set whatever writer or marvel-mandated storyline is in effect to punk them.
 

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Yea I agree. For a story that's dragged on waay too long, it has had eye catching moments... but Hickman clearly wasn't the answer to giving Black Panther some redemption. It was all just a big tease.

They masked it like it was a T'Challa led team book but really the whole run was just one big excuse for Hickman to dikk ride Reed Richards as this nigh-infallible, mary sue-esque 'Batman' of the marvel universe.

Which hey, i don't mind or care if he wants to make Richards out as that... but don't continuously punk out T'Challa in the process.

So BP in the last few years has:

  • Near assassinated and blown up/left near dead by Dr. Doom (didn't get payback)
  • Got stripped of his title and kingship in favor of his sister
  • All his vibranium destroyed, a gun put to his mom's head by Doom's lackeys, was going to let Doom kill his wife (Storm) to save the vibranium that he ended up losing anyway, his cat god says Doom is the salvation to everything... And when its all said and done he just lets Doom go.
  • Has his wife leave him in the most contrived bullshyt story ever and starts fukkin wolverine all of a sudden
  • Has his country flooded by Namor but then invites Namor to be in the illuminati and invites him into his country
  • Has everyone find out he invited Namor in and gets effectively exiled from wakanda
  • his female stable of loyal body guards essentially tell him he aint shyt
  • His father and all his ancestors tell him he ain't shyt and want nothing to do with him, ever
  • Wakanda is destroyed
  • His sister is killed
  • His arrogance not only botched his attempt at Namor's life but, as a domino effect, essentially ruined the greater goal of killing the Cabal...
There's a fine line between being deconstructed and being castrated, and they aint fooling anyone at this point.

Shuri is RIP'd?
 
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